S10s in the Iron Butt Rally!

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I appreciate the updates and really good info Eric. I would have never guessed it would be hard to find a tire that can last a whole 10,000 mile ride. After seeing what most of the group is riding I'm convinced a lightweight machine has a much better chance to finish.
Any bike that you can be comfortable on for 11 days and meets the minimum specs in the IBR rules can be a good choice. The simple fact is that few lightweight bikes are all that comfortable for long days at interstate speeds. A lot of stress on small engines in high ambient heat of summer often means mechanical failures where you wouldn't normally have them. Consider the guy that is trying to make it back from Homer, AK now. He has no time for sleep, never mind a tire change at this point. If he is trying to run one set of tires, he may simply not be able to get to the finish due to the tire getting too worn.

People have ridden and finished the IBR on small displacement bikes. A Zundapp scooter, a 250 Ninja, (not really hopeless class), a 250 Helix scooter, (no longer acceptable under current rules), etc. 500 cc bikes are out there that have great potential. So are some of the new EFI 300cc bikes. Find something unique and enter some rallies to see what it's like. The next IBR is in 2021. Entries will be accepted around Jan of 2020.
 

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We are currently down from 102 to 84 riders expected at scoring in the morning. Scoring opens at 5 am. Riders are due in by 8 am to avoid penalty. At 8:00:01 penalty starts. XX points per minute, any part of a minute is the next minute. Penalty period runs from 8:00:01 to 10:00. At 10:00:01 riders are DNF.

"Homer" is DNF, suffering a final belt drive failure on his HD after an off piste event. Thankfully w/o injury. It is greatly hoped that he makes it in for the banquet. I'm sure a standing ovation will occur if he gets here in Greenville, SC.

Scoring team assembles at 0430 on Friday to prepare for riders. At 0500, they start coming in for scoring and we hope to process them quickly and let them get some sleep before the 1830 banquet. The scoring team will mostly get time for a nap prior to the banquet if everything goes smoothly, as it should. A LOT of work has gone into this rally and into making scoring go smoothly for everyone. That said, there are always some issues and some questionable photos. A process exists to deal with those and Jeff Earls is the final say on any disputes. He is the Architect of this rally.

The 2-Up Super Ten team is still on the go and hopefully after a new set of tires was able to kick some miles and get some bonuses to make up for the lost time. I look forward to hearing the stories from many riders.
 
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Replacing a belt on a HD is a 4 hour involved process, including pulling the shafts, not something you can easily do in a parking lot
Now I'm only going by pictures and the IBR forum, But it's amazing that many of these guys even finished the rally. I see a lot of ill prepared bikes. At checkpoint 1 only a few bikes looked as if they would finish. I would take and XR650L over a Harley. I'm surprised at the lack of reliable small bore bikes that did not enter. If my body could handle it, I would not hesitate to enter my Beta. It has over 10,000 hard miles on it with no mechanical failure other than a clutch replacement and head pipe failure (from numerous drops in the rocks). with 15/42 gearing it will buzz along at 80+ mph consistently.

And belt replacement is actually not hard at all with a temporary belt:
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I don't know about ill prepared bikes. I'm amazed how ingenious and talented all these people are on what they do to get the motorcycles ready for this rally. Some of the entry I always question reliability, but that's what makes it fun to watch, and I suppose that it why some are on those type motorcycles. Where do you see these ill prepped bikes? I'll look back at the pictures.
I've done the BBG3000. 3000+ miles in less than 48hrs, and the USA Four Corners tour covering 10,500 miles in 13 days. These were both a lot of riding, but not even in the same league as riding the IBR.
You really think a Beta can be ridden 1000-1500 miles a day for 11 days straight? Would not be easy, but next rally is 2yrs away and I would enjoy seeing it. More different bikes the better.
 

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Now I'm only going by pictures and the IBR forum, But it's amazing that many of these guys even finished the rally. I see a lot of ill prepared bikes. At checkpoint 1 only a few bikes looked as if they would finish. I would take and XR650L over a Harley. I'm surprised at the lack of reliable small bore bikes that did not enter. If my body could handle it, I would not hesitate to enter my Beta. It has over 10,000 hard miles on it with no mechanical failure other than a clutch replacement and head pipe failure (from numerous drops in the rocks). with 15/42 gearing it will buzz along at 80+ mph consistently.

And belt replacement is actually not hard at all with a temporary belt:
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Problem is that temporary belt is just that, temporary. Max speed 50MPH with a 50 mile limit. He's 400 miles away from the nearest HD dealer. There's a Boston Pizza restaurant next to the Super 8. Good food and cold beer. That's where I would stay for the next two days while a good friend came with a trailer.
 

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Chris, how long did it take you to put that 10k on the Beta? How many service times? Now do that in 11 days, and get it to the start.

There are reasons small displacement bikes are not common in the IBR.
 
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You really think a Beta can be ridden 1000-1500 miles a day for 11 days straight? Would not be easy, but next rally is 2yrs away and I would enjoy seeing it. More different bikes the better.
I'm sure of the bike but my body could no way in hell handle those kind of miles. That kind of ride is something that needs to be really trained for. I'm trying to imagine my Iron Butt 11 days in a row. WOWEE!!


Chris, how long did it take you to put that 10k on the Beta? How many service times? Now do that in 11 days, and get it to the start.

There are reasons small displacement bikes are not common in the IBR.
Oil change once a day or add oil as needed. My bike has not burned a drop since new. When it did the 1000 miles it only blew out the excess I put in. I would like to get a small bike prepped and have someone ride it for me. Hmmm....
 

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Well, with less than 5 hours to penalty here at the finish, I can certainly tell you that a bike requiring daily oil changes would qualify as a 'Hopeless class' entry. The majority of riders have planned their routes to maximize the time allowed. Many will get in to the finish after 11 days with less than an hour to spare before penalty, many in penalty in the 2 hour window of penalty time.

During the 11 days of the rally many won't sit down for a meal, don't get off the bike at most gas stops during the day unless they need to use the restroom and all are constantly trying to manage every minute of the ride to avoid losing time that may be needed during the rally for bonus collection or unknown events like traffic, weather delays, etc. If you're not sleeping, riding or collecting a bonus, you're wasting time.

Until you have spent some time on the clock doing a rally it's hard to get your head around how easy it is to regret spending 20 minutes doing something you didn't need to do. Because at the end you may really need that 20 minutes, making the difference between finishing on time or being DNF. This year may set a record for attrition and DNFs.

Part of doing the miles is setting up the bike to be the most comfortable place to be. You spend a lot of time there over the 11 days. Little annoyances become huge annoyances over the course of those miles.

You didn't say how long it took you to put 10k miles on the Beta. I'm guessing over a year. Putting a year's worth of riding into 11 days is a lot harder on a bike than doing it over a year's time.

I'm not saying it can't be done, only that few people would even consider it. I don't think you would find anyone experienced in the endurance rally scene that would accept your offer of a Beta, even prepped with their input, for the IBR. Outside assistance is not allowed during the event. That doesn't mean you can't have someone help you get a replacement part or GPS, etc, but the number of GPS failures alone every year, never mind bike failures, is significant.

You talked about carrying a spare final drive belt for a HD. Most of the chain drive bikes are carrying a spare chain, sprockets and master links with the tools necessary to install them. That's a chunk of weight and space on a Beta. Add in tire repair kit and tools for that if you have to pull a wheel to do a tube repair. Every rider is set up to be able to eat and drink on the bike while moving. That is because dehydration slows down the brain and you start to make poor decisions. You can't afford to make poor decisions. So every time you think about being thirsty, you take a sip of water. Many carry a gallon, some two. Some carry electrolytes as well. The rally has had riders end up in the hospital for numerous reasons, from dehydration to hyponatremia as well as a variety of other reasons related directly or indirectly to being on the bike for so many hours every day for 11 days.

As stated, the temp spare belts for the HDs are only intended to last long enough to get you to a shop. Not hundreds of miles. A lot of things seem easy to deal with or plan for from behind the computer screen, but even on a big bike, you can only carry so much stuff. Riders have carried entire BMW final drive units and the tools to swap them out in past years. This year more than one rider is wishing they had done that, now out of the rally or on a second bike, (a 50% penalty in points at the end).

Got to hop in the shower now and go to scoring to get ready for riders coming in. Enjoy reading about the rally. Consider doing a 12 or 24 hour rally yourself to see what it's like to be on the clock and trying to solve the puzzle instead of just putting down the miles during a SS1K ride.
 

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I enjoy following the long distance rally people. It is so interesting to me keeping up with high lights of over coming setbacks and making accomplishments out of them to the dissapointments of defeat. All i can say is my hat is off to these people who ride but the rally designers and workers really need a pat on the back. that looks like a very difficult job and they really deserve a pat on the back. Talk about creative and thinking people!
 

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I have a tiny bit of a idea of what a it means to do a IBA event having just done a SS1000 here in the U.P. on familiar roads, in good weather and with only 20% of the ride in night time hours. I met many riders at the event that had setup that amazed me with the level of details, including a fleer camera setup, used to ride distances. Heretofore my longest ride was around 600 miles (Geneseco, NY to Brimley, MI) in one day on a '92 Vmax (modded with a Royal Star 5th gear and a 5 gal tank) which I thought was torturous at the time.
Showing my inexperience, that even with the Tenere's generous fuel capacity, I hit the flashing fuel gauge once, then on somewhat familiar roads (with GPS) I got lost once and had a less than optimum lighting setup even for the short nighttime riding portion. The Tenere performed perfectly for the trip and I finished the 1000 miles in just under 21 hours (5:30am to 2:20am).
It was challenging, a lot of fun and I left this event with a few other IBA rides in mind for future undertaking that involve riding around the Great lakes region. But unless I would become a much better at this long distance riding thing I could never fathom trying to qualify, much less undertake, the daunting task of a IBR. I give much respect to all those involved the IBR rally!
 
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47 minutes left and some of the big dogs are still working their way to the finish. Scoring has been going smoothly and relatively few issues. Riders are mostly in good shape, just tired from the many days on the road. All have stories to tell. One recent rider at my table remarked that next time... he won't be 1500 miles from the finish with 24 hours left to the rally. That's a loong day to finish 11 long days.

Day 10 and side bar are up on the daily log page. Bonuses for the rest of the rally likely won't go up until tomorrow. Certainly not until after the last rider is in and the rally is officially over.
 

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BMW seems to be one of the preferred brands ridden by LD/endurance riders but to me they suffer a greater percentage of trip ending issues in these events. I wonder why they are still the go to bike? I've never owned one but there must be something they offer that makes it worth it. I understand the GS model practically invented adventure touring (perhaps it did) but BMW and Harley tend to be at the bottom of the reliability surveys I've read over the years.
 

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BMW seems to be one of the preferred brands ridden by LD/endurance riders but to me they suffer a greater percentage of trip ending issues in these events. I wonder why they are still the go to bike? I've never owned one but there must be something they offer that makes it worth it. I understand the GS model practically invented adventure touring (perhaps it did) but BMW and Harley tend to be at the bottom of the reliability surveys I've read over the years.
There was a comment in todays update. It may be the first IBR where more FJR's finished than started (due to kind FJR riders handing them out to broken BMW riders)
 

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The only serious breakdown issue that I’m aware of with BMW is the final drive . Unfortunately it’s been an ongoing issue for BMW for many years and the cost for just the parts to fix it is crazy high.
We should be hearing who the top finishers were this year pretty soon.
 
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The win goes to Wendy Crockett riding her 2005 FJR ! She rode 12,999 miles in 11 days and spanked the competition, way to go Wendy !
Figures a woman would kill it!! Congratulations Wendy!! Wonder Woman comes to mind. She has to be one smart rider and in very good physical condition.
 
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