S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!

Ostion

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Well, the job is done.
First of all BIG THANKS to WJBertrand for opening his garage and his time to a complete stranger (with an accent), on a Sunday never the less.
We were in and out of there in 90 minutes, with Jeff performing all the surgical, while I helped with moving the swing arm up and down.
I have only been able to take one ride since then. I have a long ways to go in terms of fine tuning the suspension but have started by moving the pre-load to 1 rider only, vs 2 up + luggage before. My test came on the twisty road of LA National Forest (CA-2) which I am super familiar with.
I started with a STANDARD 0 setting (still one rider for pre-load) but ended up moving up to HARD 0, which felt better for me, even better than my previous HARD +3 on 2 riders + luggage with the stock spring.
This is where I am right now, like I said, I have to keep trying things and it will be a while before I come up with what works for me.
The height has increased and now my reach to the ground is a little more challenging, but still safe. I have not dragged any hard parts during my test (70 miles), at a pretty fast pace.
I am excited about trying new things and learning about the new options and reactions this new spring will offer.
Thanks again to all of you posting here and making other inmates lives much easier when it comes to wrenching and fixing problems.
 

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Hello Fernando,
That is awesome from Jeff, this is so nice that members of this forum can help each other out.
90 mins is what it would take me the second time around, a little bit fiddly but with a little bit of persuasion that is what it takes.
You confirm that anybody using the 2 passengers + luggage setting stock would benefit from this spring.
Just came out from a 2000 miles vacation trip fully loaded and could not be happier with 2 passengers preload at Soft +2 setting. No wallowing in crosswind and bike feels very planted and that is on Heidenau’s K60 on all sorts of surface…
Did you guys exchange rides to see the differences between the 550 lbs spring and the 476 lbs spring?
Please post you feedback and let’s discuss further, personally I could ride this setup from now on until Yamaha comes up with 9” inches of wheel travel front & back…
Cheers
Rog
 

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Rodge,

No, we did not exchange bikes, not sure a neighborhood ride would have provided much feedback.
I will share my impressions as I try new things, I also want to explore with the pre-load, not just the dampening.
Stay tuned.

Fernando
 

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I can say one thing, that direct fit spring took several more turns on the spring compressors before we could slip the retainer back into place compared to my Ebach 550lb spring. Two ways of getting to the solution I suppose. The lower rate Race Tech spring with more preload or the higher rate Ebach spring with OEM-like preload. The higher rate spring will provide larger differences between adjustments settings than a lower rate spring though.
 

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I fit my spring and the difference is night and day. Definitely exposes the deficiencies in the fork springs, but that's much easier to live with than the bike not wanting to stay on its sidestand because the suspension is loaded down so much with all my camping gear.

I went with a 9.0 kg spring (I'm likely north of 320 geared up) & ended up breaking/bending the Tusk spring compressors' aluminum she'll, which holds the hooks aligned. Had to use wood clamps to hold them together so things wouldn't twist. I compressed the spring in a vise since it required so much force to do so. So, be aware that the Tusk may not be up to the task if you go above 8.5.
 

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Looking for suggestions here on spring rate. I've pretty much decided on the "Rodge Method" but would like the EAS settings to mirror the load as close as possible. For example if it is set for one rider and no luggage then I'd like measurable sag to be as close to the 57mm ideal as possible ( I think I read that number). I'm seeing that using either the direct replacement spring or the shorter spring with a spacer you guys are not getting there until the settings reach "two up" and yet you are all happy with the result. I'm 6' 4' 213 pounds fully geared up for a ride. I also drag around 13 lbs of tools and 2 lbs of H20 for any ride. The bike wears the complete Rumbux skid/bars up front and the Rumbux rear rack. There is also a 35 liter Pelican box on a homemade flat aluminum plate that replaces the passenger seat , grab bars ,and factory rack. I weighed the front Rumbux at 22 lb 10 oz . the rear I did not weigh but maybe 5 lb total and the rear plate with the Pelican Box about 8 lb so MINUS the factory rack stuff and passenger seat probably 43 lb (?) over the stock bike. I can currently flat foot it and would like to be able to continue to. The thing just weighs too much not to. So..... long story but I'm thinking the direct fit Race Tech SRSP 6022090 at 504 lb/in. What do you guys think? Will things just get too harsh if I shoot for settings very close to the factory ideal settings for my weight?
 

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I'm using a 550 lb/in. spring I got from summit racing with a 10mm spacer. The method of Karl, if you will. With no panniers attached and the ES set at one up I'm getting right at about 30% (2.25") with me on the bike. Close enough. I'm heavier than you at about 230lbs (before gear), so I think you could get by with the same set up but with a 525 lb. spring perhaps?


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WJBertrand said:
I'm using a 550 lb/in. spring I got from summit racing with a 10mm spacer. The method of Karl, if you will. With no panniers attached and the ES set at one up I'm getting right at about 30% (2.25") with me on the bike. Close enough. I'm heavier than you at about 330lbs (before gear), so I think you could get by with the same set up but with a 525 lb. spring perhaps?


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Yes I read both your and Karl's setups. I was about set on the spacer with the 525 in/lb spring until I read about the direct fit spring. When you say your 330lbs before gear do you include any heavy items always on the bike? IE like the Rumbux setup I have and the tools I always carry? Or is it just your morning scale weight? I'm hoping Rodge will post up here as I think he said he weighed about the same as you guys but was very happy with only the 476 lb/in spring. Seems odd. What spring did you help "Ostion" install was it a direct fit or the one with the spacer? Any idea on his weight. I hate to just private message people as then the forum doesn't benefit from their answer.
 

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230 is just me. The bike does have Givi crash bars a rear rack, the OEM pannier brackets and some electronics on the handlebars and farkle bar, all permanently mounted. I did put on my Aerostich suit for the measurement though. Oh, and I have one of those Raid tool boxes mounted.


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WJBertrand said:
330 is just me. The bike does have Givi crash bars a rear rack, the OEM pannier brackets and some electronics on the handlebars and farkle bar, all permanently mounted. I did put on my Aerostich suit for the measurement though. Oh, and I have one of those Raid tool boxes mounted.


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Thanks. I'd like to get this thing ordered and installed before my "happy helper" has to take a business trip in a couple of weeks. The next jump up from the Race Tech 504 in/lb spring is a 532 in/lb so I"m thinking the former would be better. I'll message Ostion in a couple days if he doesn't see this and chime in. Another ?. I have Harbor Freight spring compressors; not the ones they currently sell but I have used them quite a bit on my Jeep. Any idea if they would work. I've also heard of using small ratchet straps?
 

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I have the harbor freight spring compressors and found them too large to use. I bought some Tusk Compressors from Rocky Mountain instead and these worked fine.

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/731/47186/Tusk-Shock-Spring-Compressor

I did the swap for Ostion and I think he was pretty happy with the change. He has since sold his Ténéré, so don't know if he's still on the forum.


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Just completed the swap. I used the "direct fit" RaceTech 504 in/lb spring and used ratchet straps to compress the spring for removal/install. I would not recommend that method for the ES Shock as the upper hydraulic fittings get in the way of compressing the springs evenly but I did manage to complete it without damage. As far a rear wheel removal that is not necessary. What I eventually found was that , after disconnecting the lower links, if you jack the rear wheel all the way up into the fender the shock comes out ok. Ideally you would remove the exhaust to remove the lower link bolts but that is more hassle. Why they put those bolts in that way is anyone's guess. They even wrote the service manual instructions to accommodate it. The lower link is what gets in the way of rotating the shock up and out. So my sag numbers. All my measuring tapes are in 1/16" increments so not quite as accurate as a "meter stick" but close enough. As my post above states I weight 213 lbs ready to ride. I have removed the rear seat and the two plastic factory racks and bolted on a simple homemade aluminum plate with a Pelican Box that has a set amount of weight in it at all times. I also have the front and rear Rumbux setup. All that stuff weighs approx , but pretty carefully weighed, 43 lbs. I am missing my original sag numbers but they were dismal. I have only measured sag on the "one rider no luggage" setting as I was happy with that number. Well pretty happy..... I now have 47.62mm of sag!! So maybe the lighter spring that Rodge used would have been better but it feels pretty good after a 60 mile ride. Well worth the money and time spent. Now on to the fork springs!. Thanks so much to all the pioneers who have already done this. Would have been a lot harder without your help.
 

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Did you guys had problem with racetech. For a week I am trying to buy a f.... spring. Buy it did not work, registering not working, after being not answered I wrote to all emails found. Got a anwser. Sales will contact you....sales, sales. Haven't heard of them. Is someone found an another place with the exact same springs.
 

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klingklang said:
Did you guys had problem with racetech. For a week I am trying to buy a f.... spring. Buy it did not work, registering not working, after being not answered I wrote to all emails found. Got a anwser. Sales will contact you....sales, sales. Haven't heard of them. Is someone found an another place with the exact same springs.
I had to call them to order it. When I used the website it was not transmitting my personal information and credit card over a secure link ie HTTPS. When I called the sales guy wanted to charge me $30.00 more than the website price. I asked for the web price and eventually got it after he said "let me look that up" then he stated that "all those springs are discontinued but yes that's the old price". Must be on commission :mad: Shipping was like $20.00 as I remember. With all that the spring and spacer method might have been cheaper as if you get the rate wrong and want to change springs again it will cost you more. I'd now like to try the 476lb spring but will wait a few more thousand miles to decide. Oh, the spring I received was grey in color if that matters to you.
 

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they are full of... I had to call. I found something similar but end way more expensive and in australia. I hope they will send the right none, if they send... It is not smelling good Murphy's law? Today, a company like that, no good online service, no say virtually inexistent, I just cant understand. finger crossed

won't deal with them anymore.
 

hawk281

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ok, had my shop contact race tech and order a 8.5 kilogram spring, which they said they had 24 of them. i got the spring two days later, and put it on today. first thing, found rust on the lower shock mount bolt, so i need to pay attention to the bolts on the bottom of the bike. second thing, once you unbolt the suspension arms, tie the rear wheel up as high as it will go, this allows you pull the shock out fairly easily. i used the tusk spring compressors, a little scary, because you have crank the spring down taking the stock one off and putting the new one on. kept thinking if thing decides to cut loose, there's a lot energy tied up there.
anyway got swapped out in under two hours and took it for a ride. the bike no longer sinks in the one rider setting. in fact the bike feels very planted in one rider and standard damping. static sag went from 55 mm to about 25 mm, going to re measure later. i'm very happy with the modification at this point. ::021::
 

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Congrats Hawk. Did this change the ride height?

I am 218 without gear... 6 ft with a 32 inseam... have a 2015 ES... rear shock set to Rider + Luggage... seat in lower position... can flat foot when stopped. Very different than my 2012 with an aftermarket rear shock spring.

I like the ES suspension but wondering if the rear suspension is too low.
 

hawk281

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it did raise it a bit. i'm only 5'11 and 220, before gear and have no issues with height on the seat. seat is in low position. biggest thing is the when you lift it off the side stand, it does not sink near what it did. i carry quite a lot of camping gear and i think that i will only have to use one rider and baggage with this set up. i did try cycling thru the setting and two riders and baggage is "stiff". The front forks now seem soft in comparison, but a good soft. this is only subjective, but the bike is following the road better and i could tell the tires were engaging better. maybe not the best way to explain it, other than "what an improvement." ::021::
 
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