Rusty fuel Tank

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Hello,

Noticed my fuel tank was rusty when i first brought the bike six months ago (2014 ST )

Thought i would strip it and clean it out with vinegar ,

This is what i found , not sure how the bike even ran...o_O

Should i persevere and try and clean the fuel filter or can you buy replacements.
 

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That almost looks like flood damage. Replace everything. This thing actually runs/ran?
 

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WOW ! After cleaning that all out, you might want to line the tank to protect the metal that is left... With a product like Red Coat... or a "new" tank....

Thats crazy rust.....
 

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OK tank is now sealed, new pump and filter in fuel tank new sparkplugs.
Went to fire it up :(
It fires but stops straight after,
I can hear the fuel pump running, i have removed the throttle body and checked injectors are not blocked. o_O
The only thing on the throttle body was the hole either side of the flap, I sprayed cleaner in, and a small amount came out the other side which i suppose is a needle valve. LH side,
On the RH side it seems fixed and could not get any cleaner through it or undo the screw. (Screwdriver pointing to it)

UPDATE,
took the tank unit out again and found water in the fuel,
Striped down pump assy and cleaned out again, emptied tank and dried,
refilled fired up second go.
not sure how the water got in, maybe when I washed out the tank unit and some got trapped in there. or some water in my son's jerry can

Ive add some pics of tank cleaning and sealing.
 

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@BlueDog69 This actually looked really good... How did you seal the fuel pump flange and the filler cap.... how did you prep the filler cap area as mine has some rust as well?
I gotto do mine and bought the KBS Large MC kit
 

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@BlueDog69 This actually looked really good... How did you seal the fuel pump flange and the filler cap.... how did you prep the filler cap area as mine has some rust as well?
I gotto do mine and bought the KBS Large MC kit
I brought some perspex and cut it to shape along with a cork gasket, used the ring and plate to secure it, I used this hole to add the contents.
You can see it in the picture with the first stage cleaner,
I removed the fuel cap and rubber gasket and rubbed down the rust and used rust killer on it (sorry no pictures of that bit ) and cleaned the neck area also.
Then i refitted the fuel cap and tried to seal it with some plastic but it would always leak a bit in the cleaning process, i think i ended up just putting a small piece of plastic on the tank vent, the orange rubber thing, that helped it not leak,
after cleaning with the two stages i left it indoors overnight to dry the put it out side in the morning to bake in the sun, (was hot when i was doing it)
I did get a small amount of flash rust but just wiped it with a rag,
Then i added the sealer, didn't need to seal the bottom with this, i think you only get 15 minutes to do this part. i took around 20 minutes , no sealer entered the filler neck while doing this stage but i still had the plastic in place just in case.
i just kept turning the tank and checking with a torch that everything was getting covered, even the pipes inside, getting it to drip onto the pipes and watch it run down.
When all the tank is covered suck out the excess and put in tin for later, i left mine in the position it would be on the bike so any extra would sit around the lip.
After five days i removed the fuel cap again and used a small kids paint brush to paint around the fuel neck and inside where the cap goes, i screwed in the screws a bit so they wouldn't fill with sealer and checked the x2 hoses were clear,
I have taken a picture of the filler neck.
Hope you get my drift, just rambled a bit. good luck
 

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@BlueDog69 Thanks... Thats some Good info...

How much white vinegar did you use , normal or double strength, did you dilute? Fill the tank? or just slosh it around every so often.
 

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I filled it completely,
Left it in tank for a few days and every time I walked past I gave it a shake , it did leak a bit due to expansion during the hot day.
I just used normal vinegar from coles , At the time it was $1.45 now it’s up to $1.75 for two litres

I used this to remove the fluids from tank, https://www.bcf.com.au/p/haigh-siphon-pump/117549.html
 

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Hello,

Noticed my fuel tank was rusty when i first brought the bike six months ago (2014 ST )

Thought i would strip it and clean it out with vinegar ,

This is what i found , not sure how the bike even ran...o_O

Should i persevere and try and clean the fuel filter or can you buy replacements.
I don't know how Australia fuel is formulated but I am dealing with what looks like a very similar issue on my FJR 1300 right now. the inside of my tank looked just like yours. I didn't have all that in the fuel pump bottom half but the tank looked just like that. As I cleaned it I found out mine was not rust but what my old fuel had turned into! The bike was running and doing well but I noticed a fuel drip and thought I will fix that. that is how I found out the tank looked so bad. Like you I used vinegar to clean it. I put a mix of WD 40 and transmission fluid in the tank and swished it all around inside to keep it from rusting while I wait on fuel pump parts to put it back together. Looks like yours it better than new and ready to go! Good job!
 

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Ive been cleaning out an extremely rusted up TDM900 tank and Ive been watching the level of susses with a few different tank liner kits.
KBS seems to feature often.

I used Cyder Vinegar in 4 ltr bottles purchased from Ag supplies shops.
The level of rust and rubbish that came out was shocking. It took all of six weeks just sitting full of vinegar. I refreshed the contents twice over those weeks.
Interesting that the first bit of work had my hands stinking of rotten fuel but after the first week that was greatly reduced.

The cyder vinegar took all the original lining off including the rust component. The pump assembly was just a brown lump almost unrecognisable. It sat submerged in a bucket for almost 3 weeks
before I started the disassembly task. Once apart I had it all closed up in a glass jar full if White spirits. The pump assembly is back together but I'm sceptical. I noted Top two mc have the entire pump as one complete part at $1100. I would like to just get the actual pump not all the plastic's.

The rubbish from the tank cam out in handfuls and almost filled a 1ltr ice-cream container.

S o the big fix with washing out a tank or any fuel containers with water is to follow up with White Spirits (metho) as it will absorb water.
The big question Ill need to deal with is the fuel injection system.
I'm working my way back along the hoses and with luck the rotten fuel will reach only as far as the lines into that system.
 

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I would go with a used pump off eBay. I see a few for around $150 USD. If you need some help getting one shipped across the Pacific, someone on here can give you a hand.

I just dealt with this on an old GS, and this pump definitely couldn't be saved!
 

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Ive been cleaning out an extremely rusted up TDM900 tank and Ive been watching the level of susses with a few different tank liner kits.
KBS seems to feature often.

I used Cyder Vinegar in 4 ltr bottles purchased from Ag supplies shops.
The level of rust and rubbish that came out was shocking. It took all of six weeks just sitting full of vinegar. I refreshed the contents twice over those weeks.
Interesting that the first bit of work had my hands stinking of rotten fuel but after the first week that was greatly reduced.

The cyder vinegar took all the original lining off including the rust component. The pump assembly was just a brown lump almost unrecognisable. It sat submerged in a bucket for almost 3 weeks
before I started the disassembly task. Once apart I had it all closed up in a glass jar full if White spirits. The pump assembly is back together but I'm sceptical. I noted Top two mc have the entire pump as one complete part at $1100. I would like to just get the actual pump not all the plastic's.

The rubbish from the tank cam out in handfuls and almost filled a 1ltr ice-cream container.

S o the big fix with washing out a tank or any fuel containers with water is to follow up with White Spirits (metho) as it will absorb water.
The big question Ill need to deal with is the fuel injection system.
I'm working my way back along the hoses and with luck the rotten fuel will reach only as far as the lines into that system.
Not sure if this will help or not but i was very worried about my fjr fuel pump too and i found just the fuel pump motor at Quantum fuel systems. It was about 80 dollars. Then i noticed the electrical connections looked bad so i bought terminals and a crimper and put new connections on it all. Put that all together and back in the bike and it sounds like new. Could check with Quantum fuel systems to see if the have a new pump for a tdm 900.
 

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I tried a quantum pump and it didn’t work. When I hooked up the quantum for a test with the fuel line off. It looked like it put out a Lot of gas. I took it to the stealership. They said it didn’t put out enough volume or pressure. Glad it worked for you. Cost me $1200.
 

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Big thanks to @BlueDog69 for tips - did not want to fwark this up!

Well my Tank repair I though was above and beyond my capabilities. Turns out if you take your time and dont rush each step it can come out smelling like a new tank!.
Made a gasket from thin neoprene rubber sheets @Bunnings, and a window from 3mm perspex i had lying around - I needed to buy some Longer screws to button it down with the pump frame holder.
Leave the Filler Cap in place. I used 2lt White vinegar and some clean aquarium gravel initially to attack and knock off the rust and crude. 2 days rotating and shaking the tank every few hours and a nice dark 'ale' was produced!
Rinsed the tank out with tap water, dried it with hot air gun and then filled it to the brim with white vinegar. Left it brewing for 4 days like this rotating and shaking the tank every 6 hours or so.
I had to buy a new pump as the old pump metal casing was complete rusted up and I was not putting that back into the tank. Old Filter was rock hard with rust. But the inlet and outlet of the pump was crystal clean which was a sign nothing was injested up into the pump or to the fuel injectors (fuel lines were aslo clear and not discoloured). Went with All Ballz brand pump and it fit well. All you need to reuse is the pump outlet rubber cap and this slides over the pump outlet and seals the outlet when you insert pump into the frame.
I also had to buy a new fuel regulator as this also has surface rust all over it and inside where the spring is... Search for 23280-22010 mine also suited a Toyota was cheap.
I bought the KSB Large MotorCycle Tank kit but did not want to use it's special solutions in a cruddy tank and wanted to give it the best chance for working on cleaner surfaces. Rinsed Tank again and then did 2 days with a 50/50 mix of engine degreaser.
Now this is where you should set aside a full day and take your time as you are now going to use the KSB Kit.
Empty the degreaser, rinse and dry and check the inside of tank for left over varnish deposits, use a green scotchbrite pad to remove any left over varnish and give the internal surface a light rub over. My filler neck was also rusted so I made sure I cleaned it well as I will be painting this with the Epoxy Kit. My tank was looking like new and fresh inside!
Take the KSB kit and follow the directions... yes you... follow the directions... yes again follow the directions!!!!!
Use the Cleaner solution and let it do its thing. Because the tank was pretty clean inside it would not have had to work that hard, so I re-bottled the solution after use.
Use the Rust Converter solution, I also rebottled this.
Take the Filler Cap of the Tank now - and clean this up later.
You are still Following the KSB kit directions... Leave the tank open - no caps etc... Having a head mounted light will be good here... Pour the Epoxy in - it is thick like honey.
Now the fun part... 30-45 min of arm pump and back strain as you will be holding the tank up over your head and rotating it, watching from the pump opening what the epoxy is doing.
Slowly rotate the tank so the epoxy puddle runs over all the surfaces. Now how to cover the return lines and the internal hump - turn tank upside down and let the epoxy pool near the filler end of the tank and then quickly flip the tank over right side up so the expoxy drips down onto the return lines and hump. Keep watching inside and what is happening and tilt the tank so the drips mover over other parts inside. You will have to do this many times till you are satisfied that all the parts are covered. I had to do this like 8-10 times. FYI, not a single drop of epoxy came out of the tank while I was doing this.
When you are satisfied that you have covered the tank internals, rested the tank upside down and let the epoxy pool, then used a chinese soup spoon taped to a stick to collect the residual epoxy and put it back into the tin. BTW - from the Large Kit 500ml tin you will recover about 400ml - Yes this makes sure you have adequate drip and run coverage - when you start you think you don't have enough inside!
I also quickly painted the edges of the pump housing opening and outer mounting surface with epoxy before resting the tank in its upright position just like it would be on the bike - any extra epoxy will pool into the lower seams of the tank.
While it was still wet i also painted with epoxy the inside of the fuel filler and the outside cap mating surface where all the bolt holes are and drain tubes. Dont put any epoxy into the holes!!!!
Now lightly over the filler opening so dust etc does not fall onto the wet epoxy or into the tank - Leave it set for 5 days!
While tank is setting up - clean you filler cap. I disassembled the cap and also painted epoxy around the metal cap parts as they also were rusting.
Cleaned up the pump housing and assembled.
After 5 days, put the tank together (I reused the old pump gasket) put some fuel into the tank - check for leaks, turned the key, pump pressurised the rail and I pressed the big red button...
5 secs of ka-he...ka-he...ka-he...ka-he and she spluttered back to life. 30 seconds later she was purring nicely at idle.
Took her for a quick 5 minute ride... hehe... big smiles all is good!

( I also repainted the underside of the tank and seam edges with Kill-Rust matt Enamel paint as these surfaces are also prone to rust. The Tank seams have rubber edging and this traps moisture and the seams rust - so I had to also tend to these issues. I recovered the edges with some 7mmx10mm edge protection leaving a join at the lowest part of the tank seam so water can drip out)
 
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Nice right up on that tank. You are a patient guy I used some Kreem sealer on a bike 12 years ago. It was a PITA for me. I noticed some rust on bottom edge of my 13’ tank 5 years ago. When I pulled the trim off. The paint came off with the trim on both sides. It was starting to peel up the sides. I sanded and dabbed some spray can on it. The trim got thrown n the shed. I stuck some carbon fiber wrap on the edge that’s visible. The inside of my 13’ looks good. The under side looks PITIFUL. I spray acf50 on it.
 

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