Rukka Navarro 2 v Klim badlands pro 3

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After my recent unplanned dismount from my S10 during off road training I have been reviewing the PPE that I wear and wether I might have fared better if I had been wearing different kit.
I fell onto rocks at around 20mph and the full weight of the bike fell on top of me. I received a broken left ankle (fibula), 3 broken left ribs, and broken collar bone (clavicle).
I was wearing Klim ADv boots, Rukka navigator trousers and Rukka Armas jacket and Klim Krios helmet with Rukka summer gloves.
As a result of this incident I have decided that I will not be trying off roading again unless it is purely gravel tracks. But my old Armas jacket is getting on now and although it is still completely water proof, it doesn’t have the latest D30 armour or chest armour that’s available nowadays and I wonder if having that might have reduced my injuries. So I’m looking at offerings from Rukka and Klim bearing in mind that 99% of my riding is on tarmac.
Although the Klim boots survived without any damage, they did not protect my ankle when the bike fell on it. Probably too much to ask of any boot. The Rukka Navigator trousers are D30 armoured and may well have prevented further injuries to my left leg.
I ride through the UK winters which are wet and cold and I know Rukka kit works well. The latest Rukka has a removable inner jacket but I can’t see that mentioned for the Klim.
So any advice from those that may have tried these jackets would be welcome.


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i,ve been wearing a DAINESE air vest under my klim badlands jacket for over a year now, i took the back protector out of the jacket as not needed

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i,ve been wearing a DAINESE air vest under my klim badlands jacket for over a year now, i took the back protector out of the jacket as not needed

rob
Thanks Rob, does that mean that by itself, the Klim jacket is not suitable for UK winters?
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Thanks Rob, does that mean that by itself, the Klim jacket is not suitable for UK winters?
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no klim badlands jacket is stunning, goretex great vents best i ever had, armour is superb to but a bad get off that may cause punctured
lungs cracked rips etc, jackets don,t normally cope with injuries like this bear in mind the best back protector, elbow guards shoulder guards
don,t normally stop cracked rips etc but jacket is brilliant, all i do for extra road protection is wear the air vest

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but the klim badlands jacket is a great winter uk jacket for the elements may need to layer up under it tho in the cold weather
 

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Klim jackets are more suited to laying up underneath, they have Goretex laminated outer but minimal thermal qualities. I currently have a Rukka suit, which is great, however I’d go the Klim route next time as IMO they’re better for the summer months and still good during the winter. The Rukka is too much in hot weather.
 

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Hi, last year I bought a Rukka Comfo-R jacket and trousers which are D30 armored. Only good things to say about these Rukka products...

 

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I have been using Klim since 2005 and by now I'm bias on Klim gear.
I use their gear all year round from motorcycles to snowmobiles and won't consider anything else.
I have taken their gear into every imaginable situation and it has never let me down.
The only thing I cannot use from Klim is their boots, they use a narrow cut and I can't wear them.
The gear is functional for the application and tough.
For the bike I use the Badland Pro and I put on at least 3000km of dirt per season with a few dumps in there and the gear holds up to the bruises very well.
 

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I’m also interested in how the Klim holds up as touring gear at high speed. I’ve had baggy gear in the past that caused wind buffeting at speed over 100mph. The Klim looks to be more baggy than the Rukka but I need it to be usable both on the S10 and the ZX14R. Can it do both?


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I’m also interested in how the Klim holds up as touring gear at high speed. I’ve had baggy gear in the past that caused wind buffeting at speed over 100mph. The Klim looks to be more baggy than the Rukka but I need it to be usable both on the S10 and the ZX14R. Can it do both?


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yes
 

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Depending on what Klim gear you get, the Badland series is heavy gear. So the badland series may not be for every one, but Klim offers many other model and series of riding gear in their line up.
You just need to decide what will work for you and your style.
The Badland series for general street usage IMO is way over kill and you can get better more comfortable gear for street or light off road.
For example, my badland pro jacket weigh's in at about 8lbs, just to give you an idea of what you would be wearing all day when maybe a lighter and just as good for protection is available from Klim.
That 8lb jacket doesn't flutter even at 100mph, infact the bike may no longer reach 100mph with such heavy gear on LOL.:D
Something to consider, but at the end of the day you will know you had heavy gear on with the Badlands.
You may want to consider the Carlsbad or the Traverse.
I also wear the Traverse for general riding and love it, very comfy.
 
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After my recent unplanned dismount from my S10 during off road training I have been reviewing the PPE that I wear and wether I might have fared better if I had been wearing different kit.
I fell onto rocks at around 20mph and the full weight of the bike fell on top of me. I received a broken left ankle (fibula), 3 broken left ribs, and broken collar bone (clavicle).
I was wearing Klim ADv boots, Rukka navigator trousers and Rukka Armas jacket and Klim Krios helmet with Rukka summer gloves.
As a result of this incident I have decided that I will not be trying off roading again unless it is purely gravel tracks. But my old Armas jacket is getting on now and although it is still completely water proof, it doesn’t have the latest D30 armour or chest armour that’s available nowadays and I wonder if having that might have reduced my injuries. So I’m looking at offerings from Rukka and Klim bearing in mind that 99% of my riding is on tarmac.
Although the Klim boots survived without any damage, they did not protect my ankle when the bike fell on it. Probably too much to ask of any boot. The Rukka Navigator trousers are D30 armoured and may well have prevented further injuries to my left leg.
I ride through the UK winters which are wet and cold and I know Rukka kit works well. The latest Rukka has a removable inner jacket but I can’t see that mentioned for the Klim.
So any advice from those that may have tried these jackets would be welcome.


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Hello MattR,

Sorry to hear about your fall/collision and injuries. I hope you have a quick and mostly pain-free recovery.o_O;)

I am super curious what brand and model of tires you were riding at the time.

I am also wondering how many miles had been driven on those tires.

This information may help others on this site to use in considering tire types, etc.

Thanks for your time,
 

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As far as I know none of the Klim jackets come with a removable liner, but you can usually buy a liner from Klim for pretty big extra money, I happen to own a Klim Latitude that came without a liner. Except for no liner I’ve been pretty well satisfied with my Klim Latitude.
 

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I have Klim Lattitude Missano Pants and a basic Klim Gortex Lamimate Jacket all with D3O Armour. Both no linings. Lots of vents which dont leak. I wear a Forcefield L2 Pro back protector and Forcefield Chest Plate every time. I can wear it all year round. I only get the Mesh gear on when its hot for a spell. Which is not often. Gerbing heated pants and Jacket when needed. Coolmax works. Merino Wool with Outlast ( Halverssons ) baselayers. Midlayers Rukka Windproof Fleece , EDZ Yetti.
 

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I’m also interested in how the Klim holds up as touring gear at high speed. I’ve had baggy gear in the past that caused wind buffeting at speed over 100mph. The Klim looks to be more baggy than the Rukka but I need it to be usable both on the S10 and the ZX14R. Can it do both?


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Too bad you guys don't have Aerostich over there. They sell a upper and lower leather outfit (Transit) that is completely waterproof that would be much better for high speed stuff both for wind buffeting and protection.
 

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Hello MattR,

Sorry to hear about your fall/collision and injuries. I hope you have a quick and mostly pain-free recovery.o_O;)

I am super curious what brand and model of tires you were riding at the time.

I am also wondering how many miles had been driven on those tires.

This information may help others on this site to use in considering tire types, etc.

Thanks for your time,
Hi, the tyres I was using are Anakee Wilds. The rear has done only about 500 miles and the front about 6000. The tyres had been performing well and I do not feel they contributed to the off. As far as I know I hit a large rock with the front wheel which spat me onto my side onto more large rocks and then the bike landed on top of me.


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If your U.K. based or even luckier not far away and your looking more top end
 

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Hi, the tyres I was using are Anakee Wilds. The rear has done only about 500 miles and the front about 6000. The tyres had been performing well and I do not feel they contributed to the off. As far as I know I hit a large rock with the front wheel which spat me onto my side onto more large rocks and then the bike landed on top of me.


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Ya, shit happens, one has to take the good with the bad. some time all the armor one wears and all the setup on the bike one does will not ever guarantee a non-bruising day.
But the more you doit the better you get, one thing is sure, off road crashes in general hurt but won't kill you, unlike road crashes.
Ride within your comfort zone not of what others say, take it slow and easy at first, your gut will tell when your ready for more. Expect to eventually go down and when you do let the bike go, don't fight it or you may be hurt a lot more.
I have gone down lots off road on the S10 and other then bruises and minor scrapes have always walked away with no more then a hurting pride.
My big question and most important one to ask your self is.
How important is the S10 or any bike cosmetics to you, a lot of guys, including my self try to protect the bike when going down and that is when you can get really hurt.
Food for thought, parts are repairable, replaceable, the body may not be as easy.
Your age and being fit is another big one, we all think we are 20yrs old other then most of us will not bounce back like a 20yr old.
 

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Yep this was my first and only try of off roading. I didn’t enjoy it much. Perhaps when I was younger I would have done but not at 63.
I have no care for the cosmetics of my S10, it was always going to be my winter commuter that saved my pride and joy(Zx14r) for summer touring.
This incident doesn’t appear to have damaged the bike at apart from a small scratch on the crash bars which definitely did their job.


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