RRR Adjustable Handlebar Risers for the Super Tenere - Ready

[Ilbikes]

Guys, the Super Tenere Riser Sets are ready to ship -

Go to the last Post and See How to Order - These are not on my site.

Best Regards, Gordon

Hi Guys,

I have these new risers that I've been working on for over a year. I've had several of these out in the field testing and the responses are very rewarding - those who've had them just love 'em. I am considering tooling and making them for the Super Tenere if there is enough interest. Are there 5 or more of you that would be interested in getting one of the new prototypes if we make them? I've made the risers for the 2010/2011 GSA 1200, so the 1 1/8" bar caps and upper arms are developed. The bases and optional dash spacing are the only items I need to work out.

You've got to see them and watch part of the video to appreciate What and Why -

http://www.rrrtoolsolutions.com/articles/adjustable-handlebar-riser-system/

Let's talk through these here - I'd love to get your feedback and ideas.

Thanks, Gordon/RTS

 

[78YZ]

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Nice work. What is the minimum rise with about 1" pull-back? I purchased Protaper Raptor bars, which provide perfect height and less sweep,. Too much sweep was a problem with the oem bars. However, I now find myself leaning forward to the bars. I'd welcome some pull-back without additional rise.

 

[Ilbikes]

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Let me have a few cups of coffee this morning and I'll do some calculations then let you know. I want to confirm this, but if you set the upper arms straight back towards you, there would be pull-back and should be zero (0) height gain. You could rotate the bars and upper arms to get an infinite number of positions and comfort levels.

This adjust ability is exactly why the feedback has been so positive.

Best Regards, Gordon/RTS

 

[JRE]

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Is this for gen 1 or gen 2 bikes?

 

[TheHelios]

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I asked about the S10 on the ADV thread but I'm for sure interested in this. I'm pretty sure I'd need to get the extended cable kit for this, but maybe not, but either way, I'm in!

 

[Ilbikes]

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Guys, I will need some help with details on the Gen 1 vs Gen 2. The bike I've got access to is my good friend Kim's 2014 so the Gen 2's will be first.

I need do some looking on eBay to see if I can buy used/salvage triple clamps for both. I like building and fitting before I make these available - that way I know they fit.

Can you please post some photos for me and let me see the differences?
What years are considered Gen 1?
Gen 2?
Do both use the 1 1/8" handlebars?
Do both use the 8mm x 1.25P thread bolts?

I had planned to take several photos and measurements so you all could see the pullback, offset, rise variations first hand, but my electrician showed up to finish the power in my new building. I will get them tomorrow.

Best Regards, Gordon

 

[AVGeek]

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Gen 1 is 2011-2013 (US and Canada got the bikes starting with the 2012 MY)
Gen 2 is 2014-current

I have the Gen 1, so can only comment on it, but I do know the triple clamp mount is one area that was changed significantly between the two versions.

 

[Ilbikes]

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I looked at the factory microfiche on both the 2012 and 2014 models and there are indeed big differences in the triple clamps. The early generation uses a conventional 1-piece triple clamp with parallel caps and parallel orientation on the bars. I see the Gen 2 models use a 3-piece triple clamp with separate bolt-in bar saddles. I remember too that the saddles and the caps are angled in orientation and not parallel.

I looked on eBay and nothing cheap. I can buy parts at dealer cost cheaper than I could get used on eBAY, so I'll need to invest $400 in the TOP triple clamps and caps to both bikes for modeling to do this right. You guys give me some "I Do's" and we'll make these happen. No money, just that you want them.

Best Regards, Gordon/RTS

 

[tuonodave]

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Count me in. I would like a set for my 2014ES.

 

[AVGeek]

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What sort of price point are you trying to achieve Gordon? I'm starting to think I have mine rotated too far forward (my handlebar lights interfere with my large winter shield at full lock), and might be interested in doing this on my Gen 1.

 

[Ilbikes]

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Let's do this - I will provide the first 5 Tenere Riser Systems at $100 - you pay shipping. I don't take any money until they are ready to go on your bike (always been my policy). If you add any tools to your order when we ship, then of course your US shipping is free (I have free shipping on orders over $50). My XR/DR/KLR riser systems are ($115), but the aluminum stock will be a little more and there is a little more machining cost - I'll eat all the aluminum and machine cost. You first 5 guys will be paying for my triple clamps, caps, and handlebar/s that I'm going to need to pattern, test, build. I like parts that "fit" - I know you do too.

Now, I need some help -

Does anyone know what brand and where I can get a set of aftermarket handlebars that will fit on both the Gen I and Gen II models? I've been bitten in the butt several times believing the eBay ads that say part xxxx will fit xxxxx and xxxxx. The factory bars new are $95 and $136 respectfully. If I can find a single set of bars that work on both bikes and the differences are strictly rise and offset, then I can save buying both. The clamp width and clamp area look comparable, but I must bolt in a set of bars to be sure. I assume that both are 1 1/8" bars.

Also, can you give me the handlebar height - at the grip? I found the seat height of approx 33.5" in the specs on Yamaha Motor's website, but the handlebar dimensions were not given.

Thanks, Gordon/RTS

 

[Ilbikes]

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I did promise I was going to answer those pull-back questions -

Please keep in mind that this particular Riser model that I used for measurements is the KLR650 system. These bikes have a more pronounced amount of setback built into the triple clamp - more than either model of the Teneres. While this "built-in angle" of the factory triple clamp does not effect or change the "range of adjustment" in my riser system, a triple clamp having a flatter (closer to level) orientation will see more rise in comparison to one having more angle like this KLR example wherein extension provided by the base is yielding more pull-back. I made dozens of measurements at different settings and then calculated the differences so they would all relate to the stock Tenere Seat Height of 33.5" and stock handlebar grip height of 44". I used a graphics program to estimate the 44" that I'm using for handlebar grip height - extrapolated from the bottom of the tire to the known seat value, then the total distance to the grips. The measurements were done on my cutting table and from a mock-up steering stem which gave me a baseline grip height of 12" from the table's surface. I took the Tenere's stock 10" and subtracted 2" from all of my measurements to get back to a Stock Tenere comparison to baseline. The White cord was stretched tightly across the bar grips at a 90 degree angle to represent "flat/level to the ground orientation for all measurements. The handlebars were aligned in parallel to the theoretical Fork Tubes (I know, but someone is going to ask).

Whew, I'm tired now. I hope that I've addressed at least some of the questions. Let me know if I've missed something - Best Regards, Gordon/RTS

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

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I have Rox risers on my 2014 ES (With +2 " hoses) and found the lower hold down bolts cannot be accessed due to clearance issues of the top adjustable arm (The part that bolts down to the top plate of the triple tree)

I believe the design you show has the same design issue that would require special tools or bolts to allow for tightening of such at all upper arm position.

I like what I see and would likely buy them if they can easily be torqued down to spec instead of guess tightening by hand ....

Good Work Looks High Quality

 

[Ilbikes]

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Hi Harry,

You're going to love my Risers then. The problem you describe is a real pain in the butt - I've been there. It's almost impossible to loosen/tighten the stock caps required to make forward/aft adjustments. I ask that you please watch the video and see that I have solved that issue entirely.

http://www.rrrtoolsolutions.com/articles/adjustable-handlebar-riser-system/

I have put a lot of energy and time into the design and testing of my system. You simply bolt the bases in-place and you never touch those 4 bolts again. My bases have a special stepped pivot joint that increases surface area and allows easy movement and adjustments once the single 12mm bolt is loosened on each side. My joint uses a high-strength 12mm flange bolt and a fully threaded base to make this an easy, 1-step process. This one bolt on each side is a unique Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) flange bolt which is easily accessed using the 17mm Boxed Wrench in my 46-piece set. High-strength JIS bolts are the only 12mm Flange bolts that use this wrench size.

My special joints increase the clamp area to nearly 7 square inches compared to the 3.6 square inches that the original caps offer. My use of torque terms are just the way I do things. I'm anal retentive. While 99% of mechanics won't use a torque wrench, I use one for practically everything I do. Now, let's move to the field -

Think about the stock caps and those two 8mm bolts that keep your current risers from twisting - those have a max torque of 14 foot pounds

Now, my joint has almost 7 square inches and a big, honking 12mm 10.9 Grade, fine thread flange bolt rated to 65 lbs/feet of torque. To top that, I use a self-locking flange nut to "lock it down" - Overkill, but that's what I do.

Have a look and share your thoughts-

Thanks, Gordon/RTS

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

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Nice Video.

One issue raised by others on this site is that the high Rox risers may be the source of a front end wobble due to the increased weight and height.

I have only notices a slight effect under high torque throttle at about 30 - 45 mph.

Your design may add more weight than the rox risers. FYI Only.

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[Ilbikes]

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What you describe reminds me of a tankslapper. These are caused by the side treads of the tire alternating contact with the pavement - resulting in drag on the left side, then right, then left - ect. On bikes with big lugs (tread blocks) on the tires - this could be more common than those bikes with smooth road tires. I'm guessing here, but based on the mention of "on throttle" you gave this occurs when the weight transfer is rearward and the front tire's contact patch is minimal. I think this has more to do with flex than weight. With big variables in gear loading, bags, accessories, and seating positions of tall riders, short riders - weights on the front will be far more affected by the riders than the few ounces adding a Riser, a GPS, a J&M CB, stereo, SPOT Tracker, or other add-on items would. My risers should not flex. Do you know if the Gen 1 or Gen 2 is worse? I ask because the Gen 2 has rubber bushings that are made to flex, so one should behave differently from the other. The Gen 2's have more sweep and what looks to be more rise - I'm interested in hearing which is better/worse.

On the 46-Piece tool set, they are in-stock today, so order anytime. On the risers, stay tuned and I'll let you know. You're in the 5. By the way, which generation do you have?

Best Regards, Gordon

 

[TheHelios]

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What you describe reminds me of a tankslapper. These are caused by the side treads of the tire alternating contact with the pavement - resulting in drag on the left side, then right, then left - ect. On bikes with big lugs (tread blocks) on the tires - this could be more common than those bikes with smooth road tires. I'm guessing here, but based on the mention of "on throttle" you gave this occurs when the weight transfer is rearward and the front tire's contact patch is minimal. I think this has more to do with flex than weight. With big variables in gear loading, bags, accessories, and seating positions of tall riders, short riders - weights on the front will be far more affected by the riders than the few ounces adding a Riser, a GPS, a J&M CB, stereo, SPOT Tracker, or other add-on items would. My risers should not flex. Do you know if the Gen 1 or Gen 2 is worse? I ask because the Gen 2 has rubber bushings that are made to flex, so one should behave differently from the other. The Gen 2's have more sweep and what looks to be more rise - I'm interested in hearing which is better/worse.

On the 46-Piece tool set, they are in-stock today, so order anytime. On the risers, stay tuned and I'll let you know. You're in the 5. By the way, which generation do you have?

Best Regards, Gordon

I've only got experience on the Gen 1 but I'm using a Shinko 804/805 (big block tires) and haven't experienced any speed wobbles. On my old Ninja 650, I'd get speed wobbles between 35-45 MPH but this is something I have yet to experience with the S10.

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

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2014 S10 ES (2nd Gen)

I will buy both at the same time to ensure reduced wife stress ....

I look forward when risers are ready ::001::

 

[TheHelios]

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2014 S10 ES (2nd Gen)

I will buy both at the same time to ensure reduced wife stress ....

I look forward when risers are ready ::001::

Do your already have the extended brake line kit on your bike?

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

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Yes, I already installed the + 2" hose kit. Did so when I installed the 2" Rox Risers some months ago on my 2014 S10 ES.