Rotella T6 or T4

Lstayner

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To start this off, I have used Rotella T6 and T4 in my other bikes. I has no issues with a 2007 V Star 1300 using T4, 2010 Goldwing using T6 but my Victory didn't like T6. The clutch dried out and chattered. As soon as I went back to Victory oil, it corrected itself.

What have you guys had for experiences with either oil?
 

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My experiences with Rotella non synthetic were good. I probably ran it for at least four oil changes (so figure at least 16,000 miles) with no issues concerning shifting, overheating, etc. I only stopped using it because they no longer carry the certification for gasoline engines (though they still do carry the JASO certification for wet clutch engines). It's something about the amount of zinc in the oil being potentially harmful to the catalytic converters in gas engines. How likely that is, I have no idea, but I erred on the side of overcaution and went over to Castrol Go! (for now, at least).
 

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Ahh come on now we get to hear about a guy who ran his ktm 300 out of coolant and continued to ride it miles back to the truck. Only thing that saved it was the high dollar oil.

Yet in other threads we hear how his KTM 300 was the biggest pile ever. Hmmmm:rolleyes:
 

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Ahh come on now we get to hear about a guy who ran his ktm 300 out of coolant and continued to ride it miles back to the truck. Only thing that saved it was the high dollar oil.

Yet in other threads we hear how his KTM 300 was the biggest pile ever. Hmmmm:rolleyes:
I run the same fancy oil as the guy you are referring to.

But i ran nothing but t6 in half a dozen bikes over more than a decade and the oil analysis came back great.

Frankly: The Motul full ester stuff i run now is great. Is it worth the extra cash? Maybe?


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My experiences with Rotella non synthetic were good. I probably ran it for at least four oil changes (so figure at least 16,000 miles) with no issues concerning shifting, overheating, etc. I only stopped using it because they no longer carry the certification for gasoline engines (though they still do carry the JASO certification for wet clutch engines). It's something about the amount of zinc in the oil being potentially harmful to the catalytic converters in gas engines. How likely that is, I have no idea, but I erred on the side of overcaution and went over to Castrol Go! (for now, at least).
From the oil analysis I have seen, Rotella has less than zinc than motorcycle specific oils.
 

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Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was less or more, and I didn't have the stamina to wade into the online rabbit hole again of "is Rotella bad for my motorcycle?". My main takeaway from my earlier research was that the T4 Rotella I used to use no longer carried the API certification for gasoline engines, and that the main issue wasn't that the engine would self destruct, but that there was the potential for damage to a gasoline engine's catalytic converter.
 
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Motul ester based oils only for my bikes. In extreme harsh conditions where you are running over 300 degree temps (which my bikes have seen regularly in hard core trails), ester based oils will get you back to the truck or home with no ill effects. I have had both my Beta and (as previously mentioned by Mak10) my KTM 300 in situations where I was lucky to get back to the truck. Ester based oils are the only way to go for any kind of extreme riding condition.

I would not trust anything but an ester based oil in my Super Tenere for the type of riding I do. When peeling off miles in the desert at over 100 degrees and the bike is pushing over 215 degree temps for hours, I want the added protection. What if I drop my bike and punch a hole in the cases? The piece of mind knowing I can repair it with quick steel an make it home on just a quart or two of oil is worth the extra cost.

The drawback to any ester based oil is they cannot be mixed with non ester oils and get the full benefit. In the case of Motul 300 it's not to be mixed with any other oil or it loses its protection.

Shell Rotella is perfectly fine to use as long as it is being used under normal operating conditions and changed out regularly. It also has the benefit of being able to be mixed with other oils. Both T6 and T4 are cheap and have acceptable JASO MA/ MA2 certifications.
 

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I've never understood the compulsion to avoid proper motorcycle oils. I suppose alternatives might be a bit cheaper, but in the overall cost of owning a motorcycle, oil costs are a minor player.
The reason is simple. For 90% of what people do, they don't need extreme results or protection levels. And it's insane that a quart of auto or diesel truck oil costs so much less than motorcycle specific oil. Ditto for filters, with no real excuse other than fabricated profit margins on lower volume products that are produced in the same factories.

I love the full ester Motul stuff for how smooth the bike shifts, but have used plenty of non-moto oil over the years too. When you change the oil every 5k miles and that's $50 in oil and $15 for a filter, and you do that every week or two, sometimes less, it really adds up. I know some riders that often spend more money on oil/filter/fuel/tires than their mortgage each month.

Clean and slippery works fine for the average rider that's not racing or stressing the bike in extreme ways.

I was reading a scooter forum the other day and riders were talking about changing tires that were 5 years old because they were worried about tread drying out. The tires had less than 2500 miles on them. I once was berated for running a car tire on my bike by a guy that finished up his rant with "I change my tires every year whether they need it or not, it's a safety issue!" I asked how many miles he road a year, on average. He proudly told me he usually rides 4k miles a year! When I explained that I had ridden 42k miles so far that year and it was only Sept, he just responded "Oh", and walked away.

Different needs for different riders. Oil is the same.
 
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