Remap and arrow exhaust system

Fozziebeard

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Hi all,

Im looking at remap and arrow exhaust system, anyone had this combo done or similar? Ive found a local place for remap, just waiting on email reply. Loving the bike, but ive heard arrow full system and my neighbours need it :)
 

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Hi Rob,

Who flashed your ECU? does it make much noticeable difference?
i have a gen 1, had it 9 yrs now, i nearly sold the bike after the first year with the restrictions it had in the first 3 gears,
i live in S Wales, and a guy called chris at cjs racing in Bristol is a demond with flashing ecu and dyno work i rode over and he flashed the ecu on the dyno for 4 hours, and yes wow transformed it T mode is as good as the old S mode and S mode now is even btter revs to the red line now in the first the 3 gears best thing i ever did as i still have the bike 9 yrs now

rob
 

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i have a gen 1, had it 9 yrs now, i nearly sold the bike after the first year with the restrictions it had in the first 3 gears,
i live in S Wales, and a guy called chris at cjs racing in Bristol is a demond with flashing ecu and dyno work i rode over and he flashed the ecu on the dyno for 4 hours, and yes wow transformed it T mode is as good as the old S mode and S mode now is even btter revs to the red line now in the first the 3 gears best thing i ever did as i still have the bike 9 yrs now

rob
Cheers Rob,

hopefully hill top motorcycles in Hinckley can do the same
 

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It has been amply demonstrated that the Hilltop “remap” is a placebo hoax, so please don’t fall for it. ECU dumps before and after a visit there have shown that no changes were made. He doesn’t have the tools to access the ecu and can’t even delete the O2 sensors and remap the fuel tables, let alone change fan temps, reduce engine braking, remove decel fuel cut, increase acceleration fuel enrichment etc. He has been challenged to explain what he does when "tuning", but he hides behind copyright, intellectual property etc etc. He probably just does a hard ecu reset by letting the bike idle until the fan cuts in which resets the adaptation tables so the bike runs rich the first couple of rides.

A number of well respected bike tuners (including Chris at CJS) exposed the scam 2 or 3 years ago, but the Trading Standards case was put in the “too difficult” box when covid hit and the Leicestershire TS Officer left the organisation.

You’re not too far from Road and Race Performance at Meriden where Nick Underwood will remap your bike properly.
 

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It has been amply demonstrated that the Hilltop “remap” is a placebo hoax, so please don’t fall for it. ECU dumps before and after a visit there have shown that no changes were made. He doesn’t have the tools to access the ecu and can’t even delete the O2 sensors and remap the fuel tables, let alone change fan temps, reduce engine braking, remove decel fuel cut, increase acceleration fuel enrichment etc. He has been challenged to explain what he does when "tuning", but he hides behind copyright, intellectual property etc etc. He probably just does a hard ecu reset by letting the bike idle until the fan cuts in which resets the adaptation tables so the bike runs rich the first couple of rides.

A number of well respected bike tuners (including Chris at CJS) exposed the scam 2 or 3 years ago, but the Trading Standards case was put in the “too difficult” box when covid hit and the Leicestershire TS Officer left the organisation.

You’re not too far from Road and Race Performance at Meriden where Nick Underwood will remap your bike properly.
I have heard the rumours, plus seen the YouTube clips singing praises, ill call RRP
 

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It has been amply demonstrated that the Hilltop “remap” is a placebo hoax, so please don’t fall for it. ECU dumps before and after a visit there have shown that no changes were made. He doesn’t have the tools to access the ecu and can’t even delete the O2 sensors and remap the fuel tables, let alone change fan temps, reduce engine braking, remove decel fuel cut, increase acceleration fuel enrichment etc. He has been challenged to explain what he does when "tuning", but he hides behind copyright, intellectual property etc etc. He probably just does a hard ecu reset by letting the bike idle until the fan cuts in which resets the adaptation tables so the bike runs rich the first couple of rides.

A number of well respected bike tuners (including Chris at CJS) exposed the scam 2 or 3 years ago, but the Trading Standards case was put in the “too difficult” box when covid hit and the Leicestershire TS Officer left the organisation.

You’re not too far from Road and Race Performance at Meriden where Nick Underwood will remap your bike properly.
Thats what he told me.
 

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Most motorcycle tuners delete the O2 sensors and richen the fuel table to maximise power on the dyno, which is a perfectly legitimate approach, but not the only one. However, using a PV3, I have found that my ST runs better with the O2 sensors and the tune developed by Hulkss ( https://yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?threads/tuning-with-the-power-vision-3.32372/) than any open loop map I have tried. I suspect that even proper remapping can be subject to expectation bias, in that you are absolutely convinced of the improvements after you have paid for it, but you are unable to revert back to confirm this. Many of us simply open the throttle more to demonstrate to ourselves just how much more powerful the bike is after remapping! Hilltop exploited this bias by actually doing nothing, yet riders were absolutely convinced and posted glowing testimonials on bike forums, which only served to confirm the opinions of everyone who had been there, like one big echo chamber (aided and abetted by the man himself!).

Having tried multiple changes to the various parameters in the ST ecu, the big improvements come from throttle, acceleration enrichment, timing, engine braking and deceleration fuel cut tables (not the fuel tables).

Chris put an open loop map built on the dyno for another ST onto my last bike and I felt that it improved the bike significantly. Although I have no way of comparing that tune to the one on my current bike, the present combination of easy throttle control, quite vicious acceleration in 3rd, 4th and 5th, and almost 63 mpg is quite astonishing.
 

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Most motorcycle tuners delete the O2 sensors and richen the fuel table to maximise power on the dyno, which is a perfectly legitimate approach, but not the only one. However, using a PV3, I have found that my ST runs better with the O2 sensors and the tune developed by Hulkss ( https://yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?threads/tuning-with-the-power-vision-3.32372/) than any open loop map I have tried. I suspect that even proper remapping can be subject to expectation bias, in that you are absolutely convinced of the improvements after you have paid for it, but you are unable to revert back to confirm this. Many of us simply open the throttle more to demonstrate to ourselves just how much more powerful the bike is after remapping! Hilltop exploited this bias by actually doing nothing, yet riders were absolutely convinced and posted glowing testimonials on bike forums, which only served to confirm the opinions of everyone who had been there, like one big echo chamber (aided and abetted by the man himself!).

Having tried multiple changes to the various parameters in the ST ecu, the big improvements come from throttle, acceleration enrichment, timing, engine braking and deceleration fuel cut tables (not the fuel tables).

Chris put an open loop map built on the dyno for another ST onto my last bike and I felt that it improved the bike significantly. Although I have no way of comparing that tune to the one on my current bike, the present combination of easy throttle control, quite vicious acceleration in 3rd, 4th and 5th, and almost 63 mpg is quite astonishing.
Actually you can compare your new map with the OEM. If the tuner adapts the touring map and leaves the sports map standard you can switch between the two to compare.


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