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Dallara

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twinrider said:
What seat was this?

I got the seat from EricV right here on the board... It was re-done by Cee Baileys IIRC. I can go dig back through the e-mail/PM correspondence if you really need to know and he doesn't read this and verify it.

Much more *rounded*, with no edges your butt can come in contact with. Super comfy for long slab rides, yet very easy to move around on if need be, and it doesn't get in the way at all off-road.

Here's a pic that shows it pretty well:







It's built on a stock Super Tenere seat base, and it's been great! ::008::


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Thanks for the info and pic, we're similar in size so that would probably work for me as well. ::008::

Will ping Eric and see what he had them do.
 

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Dallara said:
OMG, Phil!!!

You've gone and done it now!!! Mentioned "updated suspension" and "safety" in the same paragraph!!! ???

Something tells me you might be in for all sorts of flames stating that upgraded suspension cannot possibly enhance anyone's safety while riding a motorcycle!!! :))

Mind you, I agree with you wholeheartedly and absolutely. But I know someone around here who doesn't... ;)

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I like stirring it up every once in a while so what the heck!

I do suppose that I really should not have posted that and actually stated that suspension is #2 in terms of safety, experience, etc. #1 is solely up to the rider to imporve his/her skill set by deliberate and focused action but that'll whip up a whole other hornet's nest of people claiming they have no interest in "racing" so track days and courses are not relavant to the street rider, blah, blah, blah. Parking lot drills are only good for riding in a parking lot, blah, blah, blah. But, I digress.......
 

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Fire Fighters, got to love 'em. ::025:: Damn Dallara, that's a pretty big cock you have in that picture. Show off! :D

I have no doubt that the suspension degrades incrementally. Makes it hard to judge just where you're at. That said, I was surprised at how much tension the oem spring had lost, Vs it was rated at when I swapped it out. At least some of what I felt was bad shock, turned out to be just weak spring.

It's not that I don't appreciate good suspension, it's just that money is money. I spent about $6k in gas/hotels/food last month, most if being gas. It's real hard to justify the coin for tasty suspension bits that I can do w/o. Maybe if I got a real job, I'd go there. :-[

It was just an idle thought Dallara, but I half remember SailXX and our other notorious high mile rider not having done any suspension upgrades. Something there if most or all of the high mile guys are just riding and not worrying about the suspension. O:)
 

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Sail2xxs upgraded his suspension at about 70k miles. He did the Tabasco Ohlins special...
 

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Last month, due to a change in plans\logistics, I ended up "hauling" 1200 lbs of bikes and about 1000 lbs of people and personal gear.

Would have been nothing for the Super Duty. (F350). And even the old fishing truck, 2003 Ram 2500, would have carried it fine. (Although cramped)

But I was in the comfort truck. A basic F150.
The OEM suspension wasn't adequate for the amount of weight that was placed over the rear axle. As a result, the rear squatted and the front was light and raised.

You could see it. You could feel it. You were forced to compensate for the negative affect it had on the handling of the truck.

Stopped in at a few (3) Off-Road truck shops. (Lots of them in Colorado)
Got the same advice from each one.
Finally Roxworks in Montrose had the time to get to it quickly.
They just added a set of FireStone Air Bags. Pumped about 40lbs of air in them and got the truck back to proper "sag". Front and back.

A HUGE and immediate impact on look and feel.
All for ~$350 parts and a couple of hours labor.

The guy said he has done "a million" 1/2 tons that need to be able to carry max loads.
He explained the airbags were like adding springs and even had increased damping.
He suggested if I desired more improvement, he had shocks to recommend.

Didn't seem so controversial when the concept was applied to a 4 wheel vehicle.

Nobody tried to talk me out of it. Nobody said I wouldn't really notice the improvement. And nobody acted like it wasn't worth it. :)

I suspect the fact that on 2 wheels it is ironically much more expensive to apply the same improvements, and thus drives the passionate debate.

If $500 (parts n labor) would transform the Tenere, these threads wouldn't have near the fuel.
 

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I always upgrade my suspension, but usually wait till I've done 20,000 miles or so and the OEM suspension is getting tired.

That way I feel like I got a new bike. ::015::
 

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Ahh - I thought you had the air bags on the F-one-fiddy before the trip. Good call on supplementing the stock suspension. While there's a couple different avenues to go, air bags are the most dynamic, and long term correct way to go IMO.

We've said it again and again, but the front forks are pretty good if you throw linear rate springs in there. The valving isn't terrible, but if you're going to keep the bike for awhile, it's easier to amortize the cost of Ohlins/Penske forks and really get a custom fit suspension up front.

If you ride two-up, or even solo (>200lbs) with (>50-75lbs) of luggage on a regular basis, you absolutely cannot go wrong with treating yourself to an Ohlins/Penske rear. While you're bike won't grenade on you and do backflips from being undersprung, you can just feel it and have the peace of mind that your suspension can handle it.

Quality is remember long after price is forgotten.
 

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My point is simply that $$$$$ is what actually fuels most of the debate. (And that's fine by me)

Get the price low enough, you will have more consensus on suspension upgrades.

Remember my XT1200ZR request?

If it existed at the dealers, I firmly believe that 99% of Tenere Test drivers WOULD be able to tell the difference between the "Base" model and the R.

There would still be those who chose to save the $ and buy the non-R.
But there would be almost none of the "I can't tell the difference"
 

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snakebitten said:
Remember my XT1200ZR request?

If it existed at the dealers, I firmly believe that 99% of Tenere Test drivers WOULD be able to tell the difference between the "Base" model and the R.

There would still be those who chose to save the $ and buy the non-R.
But there would be almost none of the "I can't tell the difference"
Oh yeah, I remember that. Brilliant. For the 1%, I'd want some of the disco biscuits they've been rocking. This is a topic for another thread, but Yamaha isn't doing the S10 any service by offering winglets, "touring" windshield, crashguards, and a pea-gravel skidplate as the only OEM accessories (i.e. NOT upgrades)

But then again, maybe Yamaha understands the game and wants to leave it to the customers to make it their own decisions. Unfortunately, the aftermarket is still rather immature for the S10 - we've got some good grassroots and limited big player production runs, but little compared to what's out there for GS's and KTM's.
 

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I will just sit back and make drunk comments from the river and let True Grip and Coastie roll there eyes at me while I do it. :)



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