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A lot of people do not realize that Ross Perot could not have been elected the first time as he was not represented on enough ballots regardless, huge flaw in our system.

With that said he enjoyed immense popularity and had his daughter not got kidnapped midway through the election he would have taken even a larger chunk out of the voting population and placed a salvo over the bow of the two party machine.

Which brings us to where we are today. I cannot fathom on any level why on earth the people did not vote Libertarian as he was on the ballot in enough states to have a legitimate shot. If you want real change, you have to elect a third party, like it or not. I find it interesting how the leader of the free world has the least choices for president, that makes no sense. The more parties in the mix, the more dialog presented and the more it keeps the partys having to work for the people.

I also see a major problem in the Media itself. Trump got all the free media he could handle, as I believe it was Bill Clinton had said "Bad publicity is good publicity" It certainly worked.
The rag media outlets with zero journalistic integrity also undermined this election on a major level, the misinformation being tossed about by people unwilling to read a second, or even third opinion was staggering. That even goes to mainstream media itself, while I do think they hold a fairly high level of integrity, I realized in my early teens if I was supposed to hate Muslims, they were dressed in black robes, if I was supposed to like them, they were dressed in white I also realized I needed information from the places being talked about themselves, so the internet should be provided you the reader with the unprecedented opportunity to read from papers of respective countries where policies are concerned.

Being one of the most boring people on the planet I found myself watching the Brazilian Ag report on occasion for example. It is beyond important to keep a open, impartial mind in order to advance and call yourself a civilization.

I also see the general lack of understanding in Civics in general to be a legitimate problem in general.

I also agree with giving the President Elect a chance, while I sat down in August and wrote down what I liked about each candidate, I came up with ZERO for Trump, with that said he may shake things up as he is a legitimate wildcard for everyone, hopefully not in a 1935 sort of way. I think the current and previous administrations have meddled enough in "Democracy" so possibly we can go beyond that now and perhaps have more open business relationships.

I will also say this, as the Husband and Father of a Brown family, I have serious worries about where we are headed right now at least in regards from the groups that have felt empowered by this election, it is not a good feeling at all.
 

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Going to be interesting, nothing has changed over here for decades (maybe centuries) as Grumpy pointed out the government always win the election and it is the same old people (or their descendants) who went to the same old educational establishments etc. regardless of if it is Blue or Red the majority of folk get stitched up whilst the rich and powerful continue to take more and more from them.

I think our Brexit was a big F*** You to the establishment more than anything else, although most of the Brexiters I know where more annoyed at the amount of Bollox the EU forces on us than the free movement of people.

I am not sure Trump will change the fortunes of the "average American" too much, we are talking about a Billionaire who pays no taxes (most of our MP's dodge taxes too, that is when they are not too busy fiddling expenses and buying second homes with our money) But I do hope it shakes up that political elite a bit and they realise they may have to do just a little bit more for the average guy in the street if they want back in.

I know there is never going to be an entirely fair government dedicated to putting the people before those running the show, but when my own modest years earnings a few years ago as a self employed one man band resulted in me paying more tax than Starbucks that year (with 550 shops in the UK) you have to say that the rot has gone too far - then again Apple pay f** all tax to anyone :exclaim:

One thing that does grate with me a bit though is that people will go for a coffee in a Starbucks whilst browsing Amazon to buy something on their Apple device and at the same time be complaining to their buddy about how skint they are and all the taxes they have to pay. If you really want to stick it to this elite system the best way would be to not give them whatever money they have not already stolen from you voluntarily, if nobody shopped at Amazon, got their coffee at Starbucks or bought an Apple device due to the way they behave they would either have to change or would simply go bust.

Power to the People :)

And good luck America ::008::

One last thing, I would not stand between a Grassy Knoll and Trump if I were you ;) He seems to of really upset some folk.
 

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I heard Trump is going to tell Yamaha to reduce the weight of the 2018 Super Tenere by 100 pounds or face an import tax. :D

Sorry, maybe I'm just tired from protesting our right to live in a democracy. >:D
 

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I wasn't a big supporter of either big party candidate (registered libertarian) I knew my guy had no chance but I have to vote my conscience. I think if you put our founding fathers on today's political spectrum, they'd be closer to libertarians than anything else. In the aftermath of this amazing election my hope is that Trump will approach things as a pragmatist instead of an idealist like Obama. I remember after the 2010 elections when republicans gained control of the house, Obama seemed incapable of understanding what had happened. After the election I recall his speech about "being whooped" but he put it down to he and his administration doing a poor job of communicating what they were doing, where they wanted to go and what they wanted to do. The concept that folks DID understand him and disagreed was not fathomable. He was too stubbornly locked into his ideology to contemplate that his vision might not be right for everyone, indeed the country. As a result, what I regard as the back bone of America, the working class person, putting in his or her 40+ hours a week pursuing the American dream was ignored and forgotten. Everything their parents had told them about the virtues of hard work, self-reliance, spirituality and national pride felt as though they were all now viewed as negative things. The press jumped right on this band wagon mocking and making light of our traditional values. Clinton held the promise of continuing in this vein. I think these opposing views turned out to be more important than anything else in this election. Trump's message came through, I think, in spite of not because of the messenger. He damn near derailed it. I am left both worried and hopeful.
 

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Checkswrecks...I think I get who you supported and...you are a moderator. Point is, Democrats lost this time. All I want to say is...i don't want the urban, city dwellers affecting my (and many others feel this way) way of life and that's what a popular may would do. People like their rural life style, just look at all the red area on a map. I live in the north valley of CA and feel it here. There is a movement for a new state here because the rural community is fed up. Politics....a great divide in the USA. Still love it here and PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN WHERE ATLEAST I KNOW I'M FREE AND I WON'T FORGET THOSE WHO DIED TO GIVE THAT RIGHT TO ME........
Peace.
Yeah, you're free to ask for window or aisle when purchasing an airline ticket )
( George Carlin)or paper or plastic at the grocery store. In California you can't even do that anymore since they can't use plastic bags and the grocery store charges you 10 cents per paper bag.
That's the extent of your "freedom".
 

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No one seems to care about the how corrupt the Clinton's are, and they still voted for her. I don't get it. It seems like the only people besides celebrities that voted for her are the ones getting free shit from us tax payers. (at least on my side of the world). Being a business owner over the last 32 years, I got tired of writing big checks to pay my fair share of taxes to support those people. Trump is the only one wanting to do something to make me happy.
I live in a border state and we are getting overrun by illegals. They get to work under the table and not pay taxes and use their fake ID's to get all kinds of free benefits provided by us hardworking Americans and seem to have more rights than us.I am ready for a change.
Also, we don't have to live with the Supreme court justices that Hillary would have picked...
If it takes a bull in a china shop, then lets get going. Can't wait till January 21st.

I haven't heard a single valid reason from anyone who voted for Clinton. "I don't like Donald Trump" isn't a valid reason.
 

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bob dirt said:
I haven't heard a single valid reason from anyone who voted for Clinton. "I don't like Donald Trump" isn't a valid reason.
Why is that not a valid reason? I know I'm being contentious but, it's the same reason cited for voting Trump. As for illegals, I don't blame them, I blame the system in place, stop the system working in that way and then you have a problem resolve itself, get them to pay tax, if they can work then let them stay as long as they don't take out of the system.. You see that same case in the UK, migrants will travel through 5/6 EU countries just to get to the UK because they can get housing/ hospital and social welfare without jumping through hoops, but I don't blame them, change the f***ing system. If I was escaping persecution, war or poverty and I got to the first country that would take me, that's where I would stop.
 

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I don't care if they stay. If they pay their fair share of the expenses and not just take, they would be welcome here by me.
I'm not saying I blame them either. I would do the same thing also. Looks like we see the same side of this...

....but, Voting for Clinton because you didn't like Trump because he said something rude is just.... ::007::
 

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bob dirt, we do see the same, but just fyi, we did not vote for either, as personally speaking, neither did anything that made us think they were deserving of such position, and as we no longer live in the US, it was not for us to decide your future.
 

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bob dirt said:
....but, Voting for Clinton because you didn't like Trump because he said something rude is just.... ::007::
I didn't vote Dem or Rep but as Dogdaze stated I've heard that anti vote reason come up from both sides. Probably 2 to 1 opposite of what you state. Texas is very conservative and I heard many times that Trump was not their choice, they didn't like him but had no choice that's who they got and would vote anybody other than Hillary and her continuation of the Obama direction.

I think the real surprise of this election was people voting for Trump but too ashamed to openly admit it due to his inflammatory style (much more than just rude) during the campaign. So polls got greatly skewed. But in the end they sucked it up and held back all their dislike for him as wanted change at whatever cost.

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I wouldn't be surprised if in 18 months (or less) Trump will find an excuse to retire and the "real" POTUS, Pence will be in the Oval Office.
 

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SilverBullet said:
I think the real surprise of this election was people voting for Trump but too ashamed to openly admit it due to his inflammatory style (much more than just rude) during the campaign. So polls got greatly skewed. But in the end they sucked it up and held back all their dislike for him as wanted change at whatever cost.
I think this was a surprise only to the pollsters and those that took their word as gospel. For too long they've considered themselves the drivers and not the pillions in this business. Even prior to this election had a pollster asked me whom I favored I would tell them it was none of their business.
 

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Grumpy said:
I wouldn't be surprised if in 18 months (or less) Trump will find an excuse to retire and the "real" POTUS, Pence will be in the Oval Office.
Oh no! He rides a Harley, we're in even bigger trouble now. Lol

I agree, ride more..post less.

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the popular vote has not yet been officially tabulated... the process take a bit of time... I'm hearing that maybe 2 million illegals have voted and if true is not only wrong but simply changes the popular vote.... the founders set our system up, it works ... the Donald was not my first choice , Hillary was never a choice..... the bill of rights was designed to protect the minority from the majority , protect the constitution it protects us all .... take a deep breath it may turn out alright...
 

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Madhatter said:
the popular vote has not yet been officially tabulated... the process take a bit of time... I'm hearing that maybe 2 million illegals have voted and if true is not only wrong but simply changes the popular vote.... the founders set our system up, it works ... the Donald was not my first choice , Hillary was never a choice..... the bill of rights was designed to protect the minority from the majority , protect the constitution it protects us all .... take a deep breath it may turn out alright...

Just went to read some of these "articles" and the sources look like the same ones known to create claims during the election. It seems to go back to stuff like this:
http://www.snopes.com/california-motor-voter-act/


Two to three million people would be a solid 1+% of all eligible voters, nearly half of whom are thought to have not even gone to the polls. In my wildest dreams, I couldn't imagine 2-3% of the actual voters being illegal or undocumented people who got past the registrars.
 

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The USA is a strong, robust democracy, probably the best democracy on this planet. I believe that no elected man or women president can unhinge/derail or endanger it.

Personally, I think Trump will end up changing little. The USA like the UK needs to make more money then all the problems will diminish.
 

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Nissbird said:
The USA is a strong, robust democracy, probably the best democracy on this planet. I believe that no elected man or women president can unhinge/derail or endanger it.

Personally, I think Trump will end up changing little. The USA like the UK needs to make more money then all the problems will diminish.
Wealth makes people forget about everyday 'nuisances'...................... and the rise of prejudice and anti- (fill in the blank) is due to the 2008 financial fudgeup
 
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