Post ride damage report. Expensive lessons learned...

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What a darn expensive and labor intensive ride it was yesterday!! Today I just finished up spending almost 4 hours removing, repairing and replacing parts. Just a simple tip over on these huge adventure bikes are no joke!! This reminded me of what I went through when racing desert many years ago!!

I'm posting this in hopes to help someone whom might want to think twice before going with aftermarket "comfort items". I installed all this stuff with just 19 miles on the bike (I'm now at just over 3200 miles). My reasoning was after sitting on a few bikes with these pegs they felt good. The shifter was nothing more than expensive bling. I figured I could adjust it to my boot size and the spinning/folding shifter tip was pretty darn cool.

To start with I had to use a hacksaw to cut off the bent footpeg pin. After that I ended up installing all my brand new OEM "take off" pegs and shifter. WOW WOW WOW!! What a difference!! Yamaha did it right!! All that money spent on fancy pegs and shifter was pretty much a waste of money. The OEM pegs while not as big, are much more comfortable and the shifter is precise and sized perfect for my boot. As an added bonus I can now get my kickstand down and plant a foot on the ground without getting hung up on those huge pegs. The way Yamaha designed these parts is very clever. The shifter is designed to bend so it can be bent back in a mishap. The pegs are aluminum so the pin will bend first then the peg will break. This saves the bike from expensive frame damage. And hopefully prevent me fabricating and welding on new footpeg tabs. I plan on buying another OEM shifter and keep it in my tool pack for a spare. I already have spare footpeg pins. I doubt if I will modify the shifter with a folding tip.

The not so fancy OEM parts have a much better feel to them. The modified 250.00 BMW Saurkraut shifter is a piece of junk. Very sloppy fit. The Delrin bushing is already worn out at 3000 miles. I'm not so pissed off it bent and was damaged as much as I am of the poor quality and wear after only a few thousand miles. It was literally like night and day difference between the Wundercrap and OEM Yamaha shifter. The stock one fits on the "bolt shaft" with almost zero play. The 200.00 USA made IMS pegs are so strong that you can do frame damage. I was lucky to be able to bend back the peg mounting tabs without breaking them off the frame. And the IMS pegs also hit the frame when folded. I had to cut through the spring and some of the peg just to get the pin off. Another thing I noticed is since they are platform style you have to almost lift your foot off the peg to shift or brake. I did not notice this until I rode with the stock pegs. With the Yamaha pegs it's a more natural transition to the brakes and shifter. I'm sure it will be more of a challenge when standing. But in reality I'll be planted in the saddle 90% of the time. The stock pegs being narrower force you get your feet in tight like a dirt bike when standing.

I'm guilty as charged for raving how good these parts were when I first got them. Off highway tip overs on a 600+ lb bike is the true test of how parts really perform.

Fancy vs not so fancy:
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The AltRider skid plate actually did its job.
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A few whacks with the hammer and good as new!!
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The AltRider products are fantastic!! I can't say enough good about them. I'm so very happy I opted for the upper crash bars. This tip over would have bent the radiator. It slammed down right on the bottom crash bar and upper crash bar mount. Nothing more than a scratch on the bars!! The bike cleaned up really nice.
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Overall I'm really happy with this bike. Just beware of going "aftermarket crazy" until you give some of the stock stuff a chance.
 
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Be aware the factory pegs can break while riding. Mine did, but 280lb ex desert racer and ride the bike like a big dirt bike.


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My buddy who has a Super Tenere has gave me the heads up as well. I was told it's very important to check them anytime the bikes takes a nap. Is it possible they might have been cracked before they broke? I surly hope you were not hurt. That would suck a foot coming straight down!! Thank you much for the feedback.
 

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My buddy who has a Super Tenere has gave me the heads up as well. I was told it's very important to check them anytime the bikes takes a nap. Is it possible they might have been cracked before they broke? I surly hope you were not hurt. That would suck a foot coming straight down!! Thank you much for the feedback.
I tweaked my knee(probably would have been better off crashing) bottoming a G-out on mohave trail.

After 6 months it was good as can be expected again, already had screws and plates in that leg anyway.

Always possible it was cracked, my bike has seen heavy offroad use and abuse over the last 26k miles. Including a botched hill climb that resulted in a full tumble down a hill with bike fully inverted a couple times. Only damage was a handguard and mirror though

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I tweaked my knee(probably would have been better off crashing) bottoming a G-out on mohave trail.

After 6 months it was good as can be expected again, already had screws and plates in that leg anyway.

Always possible it was cracked, my bike has seen heavy offroad use and abuse over the last 26k miles. Including a botched hill climb that resulted in a full tumble down a hill with bike fully inverted a couple times. Only damage was a handguard and mirror though

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Man I know exactly how that feels. I broke my tibial plateau in a Checkers European hare scramble in 07. That was my last race. The spring on those gimmicky Pivot Pegz broke and my foot planted into the ground. It's really good to now what abuse you can put these bikes through. That Mojave trail is a tough one in spots. I struggled last year in the deep rocky sand washes near those volcanic formations. I was on my Beta.
 

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what's that line about "there are no old bold riders " . at 600 lbs my 2012 tenere is no dirt bike, fabulous street bike , able to follow any road paved or not . then there is single track , not so much. but if one is able to do single track with this bike then you are a "god" and I am in awe of you. of course I can barely do single track on my honda 450x....
 

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What a darn expensive and labor intensive ride it was yesterday!! Today I just finished up spending almost 4 hours removing, repairing and replacing parts. Just a simple tip over on these huge adventure bikes are no joke!! This reminded me of what I went through when racing desert many years ago!!

I'm posting this in hopes to help someone whom might want to think twice before going with aftermarket "comfort items". I installed all this stuff with just 19 miles on the bike (I'm now at just over 3200 miles). My reasoning was after sitting on a few bikes with these pegs they felt good. The shifter was nothing more than expensive bling. I figured I could adjust it to my boot size and the spinning/folding shifter tip was pretty darn cool.

To start with I had to use a hacksaw to cut off the bent footpeg pin. After that I ended up installing all my brand new OEM "take off" pegs and shifter. WOW WOW WOW!! What a difference!! Yamaha did it right!! All that money spent on fancy pegs and shifter was pretty much a waste of money. The OEM pegs while not as big, are much more comfortable and the shifter is precise and sized perfect for my boot. As an added bonus I can now get my kickstand down and plant a foot on the ground without getting hung up on those huge pegs. The way Yamaha designed these parts is very clever. The shifter is designed to bend so it can be bent back in a mishap. The pegs are aluminum so the pin will bend first then the peg will break. This saves the bike from expensive frame damage. And hopefully prevent me fabricating and welding on new footpeg tabs. I plan on buying another OEM shifter and keep it in my tool pack for a spare. I already have spare footpeg pins. I doubt if I will modify the shifter with a folding tip.

The not so fancy OEM parts have a much better feel to them. The modified 250.00 BMW Saurkraut shifter is a piece of junk. Very sloppy fit. The Delrin bushing is already worn out at 3000 miles. I'm not so pissed off it bent and was damaged as much as I am of the poor quality and wear after only a few thousand miles. It was literally like night and day difference between the Wundercrap and OEM Yamaha shifter. The stock one fits on the "bolt shaft" with almost zero play. The 200.00 USA made IMS pegs are so strong that you can do frame damage. I was lucky to be able to bend back the peg mounting tabs without breaking them off the frame. And the IMS pegs also hit the frame when folded. I had to cut through the spring and some of the peg just to get the pin off. Another thing I noticed is since they are platform style you have to almost lift your foot off the peg to shift or brake. I did not notice this until I rode with the stock pegs. With the Yamaha pegs it's a more natural transition to the brakes and shifter. I'm sure it will be more of a challenge when standing. But in reality I'll be planted in the saddle 90% of the time. The stock pegs being narrower force you get your feet in tight like a dirt bike when standing.

I'm guilty as charged for raving how good these parts were when I first got them. Off highway tip overs on a 600+ lb bike is the true test of how parts really perform.

Fancy vs not so fancy:
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The AltRider skid plate actually did its job.
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A few whacks with the hammer and good as new!!
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The AltRider products are fantastic!! I can't say enough good about them. I'm so very happy I opted for the upper crash bars. This tip over would have bent the radiator. It slammed down right on the bottom crash bar and upper crash bar mount. Nothing more than a scratch on the bars!! The bike cleaned up really nice.
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Overall I'm really happy with this bike. Just beware of going "aftermarket crazy" until you give some of the stock stuff a chance.

I have big feet, and also wanted a folding shifter tip. I cut the stock shifter tip off, and installed one of these:

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/woodcraft-eccentric-folding-toe-piece?rrec=true

It lengthened the shift lever, and will fold like a good off-road shifter tip should.

(It's also pretty inexpensive.)
 

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Does your altrider skid plate have the threads integrated into the brackets? Mine uses washers and nuts and it's always exciting times when I drop a piece...
 
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I wrote this article after a minor tipper broke one of the foot pegs.
https://www.webbikeworld.com/pivot-pegz-review/
Note the porosity of the casting. It's one reason I went aftermarket with the PivotPegz. Some love PivotPegz and others don't but the point is about the quality of the OEM castings.

I had PivoPegz a long time ago and did not like the way they felt. For now I'm sticking with the OEM pegs. They are not very strong but I would rather the peg break than bend the frame or break off a tab. My buddy has been using the OEM ones since 2012. He has replaced both the pegs and pins a few times. I'm going to see what he is using now. I'm going to follow his lead and carry a set of spare pegs and a shifter. pegs are only 60 bucks a set and the shifter about 80 bucks. From what I'm experiencing, these seem to be the most common items to be damaged in a tip over. time will tell.....

I have big feet, and also wanted a folding shifter tip. I cut the stock shifter tip off, and installed one of these:

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/woodcraft-eccentric-folding-toe-piece?rrec=true

It lengthened the shift lever, and will fold like a good off-road shifter tip should.

(It's also pretty inexpensive.)
I thought about that (I even have it on my wish list) but for now I'll just see how this stock one works.
 
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Guess I am a lucky dude, been very well satisfied with the stock shifter and foot pegs on every bike I’ve ever owned.

Did break a foot peg on my Goldwing once, the reason it broke was my own fault, tipped it over while pushing it away from a gas pump near Sturgis, was hard to believe that cracked a foldable foot peg but it did and then I sort of stomped on it attempting to straighten it and it sheared right off. Luckily there was a dealer 30 miles away that had a used set of pegs that they sold me for $30. It was a pretty long 30 mile ride with only one foot peg.
 

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I have almost zero off-road experience; and seeing what happened to y'all will likely keep that way. I have size 14 feet, but have had no issue with the OE pegs or shifter. Chris's monster pegs looked cool, if I was going to do a lot of standing. I've always thought the OE pegs were pretty cool....rubber for vibes, but grippy when you stand. I'm with Chris, having the peg as a "fusible link" gives me comfort. Oh yeah, AND I'm a cheap skate.
 
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Guess I am a lucky dude, been very well satisfied with the stock shifter and foot pegs on every bike I’ve ever owned.

Did break a foot peg on my Goldwing once, the reason it broke was my own fault, tipped it over while pushing it away from a gas pump near Sturgis, was hard to believe that cracked a foldable foot peg but it did and then I sort of stomped on it attempting to straighten it and it sheared right off. Luckily there was a dealer 30 miles away that had a used set of pegs that they sold me for $30. It was a pretty long 30 mile ride with only one foot peg.
I have almost zero off-road experience; and seeing what happened to y'all will likely keep that way. I have size 14 feet, but have had no issue with the OE pegs or shifter. Chris's monster pegs looked cool, if I was going to do a lot of standing. I've always thought the OE pegs were pretty cool....rubber for vibes, but grippy when you stand. I'm with Chris, having the peg as a "fusible link" gives me comfort. Oh yeah, AND I'm a cheap skate.
You guys are the smart ones!! This is a great thread. Lots of good feedback from everyone. I'm happy that I have some humility in admitting an expensive lesson. I went too much aftermarket crazy on this bike. The price of this bike was so good I justified it. Not the best of ideas for sure. I know that I'm going to be very careful where I take this machine. The easy 4WD road on my Beta is brutal torture on the Super Tenere.

How was a skid plate damaged on a tip over??
The skid plate was damaged going over a huge rock imbedded in the dirt. The pictures I took were of the easy sections of this road. I was in survival mode when it got nasty. I mostly just stayed in the huge ruts and walked it through. I turned around as soon as I realized I was getting in over my head.

Does your altrider skid plate have the threads integrated into the brackets? Mine uses washers and nuts and it's always exciting times when I drop a piece...
I have a newer model with the integrated nuts.

I want to also thank dell835 and jlq1969 for pointing out my incorrectly mounted wind deflectors. I just now flipped them around. Good catch guys!!

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I have big feet, and also wanted a folding shifter tip. I cut the stock shifter tip off, and installed one of these:

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/woodcraft-eccentric-folding-toe-piece?rrec=true

It lengthened the shift lever, and will fold like a good off-road shifter tip should.

(It's also pretty inexpensive.)
Do you happen to have a pic of this installed on your bike? It looks like a great idea but i'm having a hard time picturing how it's installed in my head....

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Do you happen to have a pic of this installed on your bike? It looks like a great idea but i'm having a hard time picturing how it's installed in my head....

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Here are two photos. The folding tip you see here extends the shifter peg out a bit, which makes it easier for my big feet. There is a pin which keeps it from rotating.

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