Please Don't Shoot Me For These 2 Questions! [Flashing ECU]

SuckSqueezeBangBlow

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I'm only 900km old on her and she didn't leave the tarmac yet. For a 1200 twin, I find her very picky off the start at low RPM.

My previous bikes (CRF250L, KLR650, Africa Twin) and my current DRZ400 did better at low speed chugging. Maybe it's just me not used to it.
Today I practically stalled her at a stop sign where I didn't even made a complete stop. Reflexes kicked in, immediately engaged the clutch with a bit of throttle to prevent the stall.

I don't know if my iddle is too low, but I feel I have to give more throttle than what I'm used to for a casual take off and it requires a little more of clutch slipping.
I would keep riding it for a while to see what you like and what you don't. I had about 20,000k on mine before I got it done but really should have got it done after half of that. Maybe it feels flat on the top end, maybe you find no difference between T and S mode maybe your idle is too low or maybe you just need to get used to it a little more. You might end up changing the exhaust or intake so all of those things can be adjusted when you get it flashed and/or tuned, no point in doing it twice. Personally I suggest putting more miles on it before flashing it.
 

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I don't know about the newer bikes, but on gen1 bikes there is a throttle mapping issue that can specifically impact take off (and low speed riding where you are slipping the clutch).
There is a separate throttle map for neutral that is also used when the clutch is pulled in. The mapping is quite different from (to for you UK guys!) the first gear mapping. So as you are letting the clutch out, the throttle map changes. The exact lever position would depend on peculiarities of the switch, and may vary from bike to bike. On my bike this was felt as a drop in power just as you got moving, giving the indication that the bike was going to stall. As a test, I changed the neutral map to match the first gear map, and that drop in power went away.
This would have no impact on clutch out low speed riding.
 

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On my bike this was felt as a drop in power just as you got moving, giving the indication that the bike was going to stall. As a test, I changed the neutral map to match the first gear map, and that drop in power went away.
I couldn't say it in better words. This is exactly how it feels to me comparing to my other bikes.
 

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I would keep riding it for a while to see what you like and what you don't. I had about 20,000k on mine before I got it done but really should have got it done after half of that. Maybe it feels flat on the top end, maybe you find no difference between T and S mode maybe your idle is too low or maybe you just need to get used to it a little more. You might end up changing the exhaust or intake so all of those things can be adjusted when you get it flashed and/or tuned, no point in doing it twice. Personally I suggest putting more miles on it before flashing it.
I will put more miles on it.
I will also pay more attention to the take off behavior vs chugging with first gear fully engaged.

Also, like the FJR and apparently many other Yamahas, the clutch is really narrow (very little lever movement between ON and OFF clutch engagement)
 

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I will put more miles on it.
I will also pay more attention to the take off behavior vs chugging with first gear fully engaged.

Also, like the FJR and apparently many other Yamahas, the clutch is really narrow (very little lever movement between ON and OFF clutch engagement)
Also best to make any mods (e.g., header and end can) first so it can be tuned to that. Otherwise, you'll have to ship it back for adjustments later.
 

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. . . . Today I practically stalled her at a stop sign where I didn't even made a complete stop. Reflexes kicked in, immediately engaged the clutch with a bit of throttle to prevent the stall. . . .
When I'm in "T", I have a habit of doing exactly that. So, I stay in "S". I haven't seen you mention which setting you're in. It definitely makes a difference. The throttle will respond even quicker in "S". I like it, many don't.
 

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When I'm in "T", I have a habit of doing exactly that. So, I stay in "S". I haven't seen you mention which setting you're in. It definitely makes a difference. The throttle will respond even quicker in "S". I like it, many don't.
I was probably in T mode. I like the S mode better but the S10 was doing car like fuel consumption in city driving with it (6l/100km). So switched to T to tame it a little. Which worked as it is now at about 4.7l/100km
 

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That's not due to the mode setting . . . . directly. Fuel consumption starts in the right wrist. The more "inspired" it is, the more fuel that's used. Your shift points might be to blame also. She doesn't need to be shifted very far up the tach. Normal riding finds me shifting at about 4k rpm. And downshifting around 3k. The way you ride the typical Japanese inline 4cyl, is not the way the Tenere likes to be ridden.
 

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Just for the record I am a flash lover, however you really should ride the bike first, as others have said, to see if it is something that you want to get done. I could not stand the sudden and abrupt deceleration when you let off the throttle but it may be something that does not bother you. Yes it did improve the Hp and slightly improved the mileage but for my 2018 it massively changed the ridability, both in Sport and Touring and noticeably at low speed dirt riding. Ride it before you change it. As for who to get it done by I can only suggest someone in Canada.
Good luck.
Hi @SuckSqueezeBangBlow I’m planning to flash my S10 (2016) with 65.000KM this winter, I’m in Toronto can you share the Canadian shop to do it?.

I was thinking of getting an FJR 1300 (2022 or 23) for next season but If I can get just a few more HP and better throttle response… I’m golden… I keep
 

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I was thinking of getting an FJR 1300 (2022 or 23) for next season but If I can get just a few more HP and better throttle response… I’m golden… I keep
Have you test drive a FJR? Just sold mine to get the S10. :)
Yes the S10 is not quite the FJR Rocket Ship. Especially at high speed. But the S10 is much more comfortable and soooooooooooooo more versatile.

I was curious about the S10 power delivery so I WOTed it across all gears. That thing can PULL.

Here's what I found on Google
FJR 1300 1/4 miles 11.60 secs
S10 1/4 miles 11.69 secs

Our pig is not far behind.
 

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Hi @SuckSqueezeBangBlow I’m planning to flash my S10 (2016) with 65.000KM this winter, I’m in Toronto can you share the Canadian shop to do it?.

I was thinking of getting an FJR 1300 (2022 or 23) for next season but If I can get just a few more HP and better throttle response… I’m golden… I keep
Canadian shop is SpeedLab in New Market.
You will think you got a new motorcycle.
T mode is sooo smooth it’s an incredible change.
S mode is not for two up unless your on the you’re very acclimated to the change and at higher speeds.


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Have you test drive a FJR? Just sold mine to get the S10. :)
Yes the S10 is not quite the FJR Rocket Ship. Especially at high speed. But the S10 is much more comfortable and soooooooooooooo more versatile.

I was curious about the S10 power delivery so I WOTed it across all gears. That thing can PULL.

Here's what I found on Google
FJR 1300 1/4 miles 11.60 secs
S10 1/4 miles 11.69 secs

Our pig is not far behind.
I so happen to have a Gen 3 FJR (2014)and a 2020 ST.
They are both flashed.
The ST will not be that close in the 1/4 mile. It will however haul the mail.
My FJR will be for sale in the spring.
Really hate to see it go.


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Hi @SuckSqueezeBangBlow I’m planning to flash my S10 (2016) with 65.000KM this winter, I’m in Toronto can you share the Canadian shop to do it?.

I was thinking of getting an FJR 1300 (2022 or 23) for next season but If I can get just a few more HP and better throttle response… I’m golden… I keep
Just like LittleJoe said, contact Matthew at SpeedLab. He is just at the 404 and Davis Drive. Really made a huge difference on my S10, just a good guy to deal with.
 

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Just like LittleJoe said, contact Matthew at SpeedLab. He is just at the 404 and Davis Drive. Really made a huge difference on my S10, just a good guy to deal with.
Thanks for the information, I live in North York close to the 404… right now my S10 is at SnowCity fixing the Cruise control the only issue I ever had in 65000km and 6 years of ownership (I do all the maintenance myself since I bought it)… I only ride it in S mode… even in traffic or gravel. I went to try an FJR yesterday and didn’t blow my mind so I desired to keep the S10 and buy some accessories. Thanks for the information.
 
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