Please Don't Shoot Me For These 2 Questions! [Flashing ECU]

Streethawk

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He’s my next choice since no response from Anthony.
I'd definitely consider 2 Wheel Dynoworks in Washington. ECU wizards for the S10! My 2016 ES is much safer and smoother (imo). Here's my testimony from a related post:

Streethawk's 2 Wheel Dynoworks ECU flash report

Here's a link for 2 Wheel Dynoworks. They've also flashed a few MT-10 ECUs for some of my riding buddies; much to their satisfaction and better riding enjoyment.

2 Wheel Dynoworks ECU flash service for Yamaha XT1200
 

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If you want to purchase a tune for your bike, a good option is to use the Dynojet Power Vision 3. The usual process is to buy the PV3 from the tuner who will send it to you with a tune file loaded for you to flash into your bike. Or, you can receive a tune file by email and flash the bike yourself with a PV3 that you have purchased.

You now have the ability to modify the tune to your liking with an emailed update or by editing the tune yourself. No need to remove the ECU and send it off to a tuner. You can also return the bike to stock tuning at any time. See this thread: PV3 Flash Tuning
 

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I'd definitely consider 2 Wheel Dynoworks in Washington. ECU wizards for the S10! My 2016 ES is much safer and smoother (imo). Here's my testimony from a related post:

Streethawk's 2 Wheel Dynoworks ECU flash report

Here's a link for 2 Wheel Dynoworks. They've also flashed a few MT-10 ECUs for some of my riding buddies; much to their satisfaction and better riding enjoyment.

2 Wheel Dynoworks ECU flash service for Yamaha XT1200
Thanks for sharing your review Streethawk.
 

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I have an appointment tomorrow with Matthew @ SpeedLab. I have a +400km ride to get there.
Did some preliminary research and am very much looking forward to getting the issues I don’t like dealt with.
I’ll post up results after a multi day trip in New England States with missus, taking place immediately after I leave Richmond Hill.

Will also have a review of Trailmax Mission tires as well.


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After 3000km (2500 2up)added to the flash date on above trip I have some notes on the T part of the flash and the tires.

Tires first: After all kinds of very bad pavement to nice shiny new stuff (but very little gravel) the tires have performed very well. I road on wet pavement (Including light rain) in temps as high as 70F and as low as 36F. There was never a sign of slippage or any concern for cornering angle. All I can say is they do the job with no issue. After 4500km accumulated you can barely tell the tires have been used. (From what I've seen so far I would have to think there is a real possiblilty of running 20K km with no concern of running out of rubber).
I like them better after the trip than I did the first 1500 km. Maybe I have come to trust them now, LOL.
The only niggles would be that they are a little noisy, but not terrible( I do wear ear plugs though). Noisier than I expected but not near as bad as a knobby. ( The Traimax's on my DR are much quieter) AND your gas mileage will take a min of 5% hit rising slightly according to sustained speeds. (These tires are heavy).

Now for the flash: I have not used the S mode very much as of yet. The roads were wet on return from NewMarket (An 880Km day) and it is not approved by my pillion (smile). The difference between the two is very much Jeckel and Hyde now.(more than stock). The decel abruptness is much smoother is S but the power application is very quick. (I did use it at speed for short time I was on interstate at speed). I need to do some one up stuff where I can experiment a little with individual gears and reactions etc. (S pulls hard from lower rpm and requires wrist adjustment period to become accustomed to the change)
Touring mode is now much , much smoother. Decel is somewhat reduced but still stronger than my FJR. It is very easy to ride smoothly with pillion, and does absolutely nothing unexpected. Throttle snatch is just gone and made me realize just how much I was compensating for it in effort to be smooth for pillion. Fuel mileage has not suffered I don't think.
(really hard to compare as much colder temps encountered than my previous records as well as TrailMax tires. This will require more time as well as I have records of every tank with and without Tmax as well as Tmax with flash.

Mathew at Speedlab knows the ST well and good to work with . I had one baseline dyno run and 3 runs with fine tuning reflashes for my bike . Bike is stock with spark arrestor screen removed. Picked up 5hp and a 3ftlb, but driveability improvement is huge. I did not raise redline but did lower fan on temp to 98C ,off 94C.

That's all I have for now.
 

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I found the same with the TrailMax tires, a hum from around 85 kph to about 95 kph but other than that they were great. When I sold my bike I had about 18k on them and the sales manager said that they would pass safety but barely. As normal, the front had more meat on them and passed with no problem.
Matthew knows his stuff, glad you are happy with the results, I know I was.
 

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Sounds like you've made up your mind if you called Anthony. :D There's two camps on ECU flashing. One camp believes that an ECU flash is the only way to ride the Tenere. The other camp, that I'm in, likes/loves the bike as is. My advice is, get the bike, ride it a while, and see how you like it. If you don't . . . . flash away. If you do . . . . enjoy.

Good luck.
Having just got my Gen 1, 2013, I find that on the road it's has plenty of ooomph. Haven't really tried it off-road yet. If I were to want the ECU Flash, who is this "Anthony" of which is spoken in such reverent tones?
 

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Thanks for everyone’s input thus far. To set the record straight, in the past years I’ve owned 2014 ES, 2017 non-ES, now a 2012. Selling the 2012 because I miss cruise control and bought this 2015 ES (yes I go through bikes like toilet paper).

I have never ridden a flashed Tenere. I’ve read it made a bigger difference in the Gen1’s and not so much a difference than the Gen2’s.
What is the difference between an ES and non-ES? I own a 2013.
 

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What is the difference between an ES and non-ES? I own a 2013.
Bill is right, it is easier. But he buried the lead, you can adjust rebound/dampening on the fly. But all Gen 1s are non-ES; '10-'13. Don't worry though, there are plenty of Gen 1 riders on here, and they love them. If they didn't, they wouldn't have the mileage on them that they do. More than a few Gen 1s with 100K miles on the clock.

As far as Anthony goes, you're going to have to get hold of one of those that have used him. There are two schools of thought on the Forum. To flash . . . . . and not to flash. I have not, and love the throttle response. and massive engine braking that came from the factory. Personal opinion: spend an hour in heay traffic. You'll either learn the throttle or know for sure that you want to flash the ECU. There are those that swear that the the bike is 10x better with the flash. The flash smooths/slows the throttle, making it less twitchy. I referr to the throttle as instantaneous response; or instant gratification. :cool:
 

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Bill is right, it is easier. But he buried the lead, you can adjust rebound/dampening on the fly.
Yeah, I thought that was the case but since mine is a Gen 1 I couldn't say for certain.

I think it would be nice to have, but mine is set up half decent so I'm not complaining. Maybe when this one dies I will buy an ES but in the meantime I'm content.

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Thanks for everyone’s input thus far. To set the record straight, in the past years I’ve owned 2014 ES, 2017 non-ES, now a 2012. Selling the 2012 because I miss cruise control and bought this 2015 ES (yes I go through bikes like toilet paper).

I have never ridden a flashed Tenere. I’ve read it made a bigger difference in the Gen1’s and not so much a difference than the Gen2’s.
I've owned both and flashed both, it makes a big difference on both generations.
 

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If you want to purchase a tune for your bike, a good option is to use the Dynojet Power Vision 3.
Hulkss, Is the PV3 suitable for a gen1 bike do you know? I can only find the Power Commander 6 on their website (Probably just answered my own question)
Are they a viable tuning option does anyone know? I'm in Australia and I think we are pretty limited for tuning options here
 

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Hulkss, Is the PV3 suitable for a gen1 bike do you know? I can only find the Power Commander 6 on their website (Probably just answered my own question)
Are they a viable tuning option does anyone know? I'm in Australia and I think we are pretty limited for tuning options here
PV3 is Gen II only.
 

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Hi there,

I'm new to the S10 and in Canada. Can you describe the difference the flash makes at low speed dirt riding?
Just found a tuner in my area "Turcotte Performance". They seem legit. At least from their Internet traces. People are raving about their services.

Just for the record I am a flash lover, however you really should ride the bike first, as others have said, to see if it is something that you want to get done. I could not stand the sudden and abrupt deceleration when you let off the throttle but it may be something that does not bother you. Yes it did improve the Hp and slightly improved the mileage but for my 2018 it massively changed the ridability, both in Sport and Touring and noticeably at low speed dirt riding. Ride it before you change it. As for who to get it done by I can only suggest someone in Canada.
Good luck.
 
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SuckSqueezeBangBlow

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Hi there,

I'm new to the S10 and in Canada. Can you describe the difference the flash makes at low speed dirt riding?
Just found a tuner in my area "Turcotte Performance". They seem legit. At least from their Internet traces. People are raving about their services.
Hey there, my experience before the flash was that either the throttle was on or off or at least a progression from 0%, 25%, 75% and then 100%, not smooth. After the flash it was like you could control it much more accurately, like a progression of 5% instead of 25%. Not quite the smoothness of some other dirt bikes but good enough that with some good clutch work you would be fine. They might have been able to refine it a little more but for me it was good enough. I still say you are better off riding the bike for a while so you can take this info to the tuner and they will be able to refine it for you. Congrats on the new bike!
 

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. . . . I'm new to the S10 and in Canada. Can you describe the difference the flash makes at low speed dirt riding? . . . .
S.S.B.B. is right about the mechanics of the "flash". But, since you're new to the bike, are you sure you need to do the flash? If you're not liking the throttle, then go ahead. But if you're still getting used to her, giver her a chance. Some of us on here wouldn't dream about changing a thing about the throttle and its responses.
 

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S.S.B.B. is right about the mechanics of the "flash". But, since you're new to the bike, are you sure you need to do the flash? If you're not liking the throttle, then go ahead. But if you're still getting used to her, giver her a chance. Some of us on here wouldn't dream about changing a thing about the throttle and its responses.
I'm only 900km old on her and she didn't leave the tarmac yet. For a 1200 twin, I find her very picky off the start at low RPM.

My previous bikes (CRF250L, KLR650, Africa Twin) and my current DRZ400 did better at low speed chugging. Maybe it's just me not used to it.
Today I practically stalled her at a stop sign where I didn't even made a complete stop. Reflexes kicked in, immediately engaged the clutch with a bit of throttle to prevent the stall.

I don't know if my iddle is too low, but I feel I have to give more throttle than what I'm used to for a casual take off and it requires a little more of clutch slipping.
 
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