No more tubes!

[greg the pole]

https://thetenerist.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/honda-africa-twin-outex-install/

 

[snuffcityrider]

Nice write up, will be following with interest since I'd like to do this on my DR650. I'll wait for warmer weather though..

 

[greg the pole]

install was easy enough.
I don't like tubes. In an emergency, they are a god send, otherwise...nope...not for me

 

[fredz43]

Nice write up, will be following with interest since I'd like to do this on my DR650. I'll wait for warmer weather though..

Please let us know if you find a kit specific for the DR650 and how the install goes. If you have good luck with it, I'll try it on my DR650. Thanks.

 

[Cycledude]

I’ve read of folks doing that quite a few years ago but have never heard anything about how well it actually holds up. Hopefully it works out well for you. I believe the tubed rims have cost the Honda Africa Twin quite a few sales.

 

[greg the pole]

Please let us know if you find a kit specific for the DR650 and how the install goes. If you have good luck with it, I'll try it on my DR650. Thanks.

pretty sure if you google Outex DR 650 it will come up. It's a close rim size to the AT, and OUTEX do make bike specific kits

 

[greg the pole]

I’ve read of folks doing that quite a few years ago but have never heard anything about how well it actually holds up. Hopefully it works out well for you. I believe the tubed rims have cost the Honda Africa Twin quite a few sales.

I"m not sure what they were thinking, but I almost didn't buy the bike because of that. After I found out about outex I was sold.

 

[Ramseybella]

Woody's Wheels has been unsuccessful trying to seal a 21" for tubeless. I need to give him a call and find out if he's is on to this stuff..

 

[OldRider]

Woody's Wheels has been unsuccessful trying to seal a 21" for tubeless. I need to give him a call and find out if he's is on to this stuff..

I would bet that if they're having trouble it is with the tire sealing on the rim. There are several different ways to seal the spokes, so I don't think the spokes would give them any trouble.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Great write-up as always.
Any thoughts on this versus Tubliss in the little bike? I've gt the Tubliss and like that it can run lower pressure.

 

[SilverBullet]

You were wise to take the time for careful installation. I know more than a couple that have had leaks later on due to less than perfect installation. Brand new wheels made this easier for you also as cleaning prep was reduced.

Any idea of the lifespan for this product? It is rubberized correct? so I would assume it could degrade over time. Is it affected any by Slime or Ride-On sealant?

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[greg the pole]

Great write-up as always.
Any thoughts on this versus Tubliss in the little bike? I've gt the Tubliss and like that it can run lower pressure.

Thank you Checkwrecks,
I run tubliss on my xc300. Magic. In the winter, I only inflate the inner bladder to 100-110 psi, and outer is at zero. Summer I usually run 7-10 psi on front and back.

Tubliss is a one way street as you need to punch two holes in your rim, so to me that's a no for the AT. I do know guys that run them on big bikes, but I wouldn't do it. As I learned on my ST airing down a big heavy bike has it's disadvantages (three or four bent rims, 2 fronts, 2 backs). I simply slow down a bit, and keep my air pressure the same.

Another thing that I forgot to factor in is that TT tires need tubes : I did slap the OEM dunlop TT tire back on with zero issues and it is holding air. But to be certain, I will re-install the front tube while I wear out the oem tire.
At which point i'll go to a Shinko 804, or TKC80 TL (Tube Less type tires)

 

[greg the pole]

You were wise to take the time for careful installation. I know more than a couple that have had leaks later on due to less than perfect installation. Brand new wheels made this easier for you also as cleaning prep was reduced.

Any idea of the lifespan for this product? It is rubberized correct? so I would assume it could degrade over time. Is it affected any by Slime or Ride-On sealant?

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Yep.. the first layer was a TPITB To set straight, but with the heat gun and help the bulk of the air worked itself out.
Lifespan? Not sure. I know of guys having close to 20k km on the tires with zero issues. The tape is extremely gummy, and the top layer tape is thick. If you keep the rim clean it should be for the lifetime of the rim.

I've never used slime in road tires (only a small amount on my tubliss installs for off road). I did run beads to balance tires, but I'll migrate to weights (both tires balanced perfectly after the install). With flats previosly, I used snooty plugs, re-inflated, and swapped the tire once worn out.

 

[Cycledude]

Before today I never even heard of Tubliss ! Very interesting !

http://tubliss.com/tubliss/#how-it-works

 

[OldRider]

Before today I never even heard of Tubliss ! Very interesting !

http://tubliss.com/tubliss/#how-it-works

These things do work, but be warned, they can be hell to install. The narrower and stiffer the tire, the harder they get.

 

[greg the pole]

meh..just need lube ::025::
The inner bladder, once installed never needs to come off. And to swap tires, it's dead easy with tubliss.
I have over 300 hrs on both f/r set. I even pulled them off my old 300 to install on my new one. I did have to change the inner tube once, as it tore around the valve stem

 

[Checkswrecks]

I wouldn't say the Tubliss was Hell to install, but it was aggravating.


btw - The size which people use in the KTM 690r is not suggested for that width rim by Tubliss. There've been a couple of guys on the ADV 690 thread writing about having failures.

 

[greg the pole]

I wouldn't say the Tubliss was Hell to install, but it was aggravating.


btw - The size which people use in the KTM 690r is not suggested for that width rim by Tubliss. There've been a couple of guys on the ADV 690 thread writing about having failures.

it's likely because the black inner tube doesn't inflate sufficiently to spread the orange u shape bead holding thingie maggier to seat the bead