Mastercylinder swap anyone

[mran]

Just wondering if anyones done a master swap and had good results? Also would have to find a solution for the guard/mirror. What did you end up with?

I had a fz1 first gen i swapped for a radial unit off my cbr. Loved it. Alot more power.

Stock brakes suck obviously and dont have much feel but I am coming of a fz1 and my cbr had a brembo rcs. In my experience it help way more than steel lines tho. Also would solve the pesky switch issue that so many seem to have mines starting to stick too or failed internally.

 

[tallpaul]

Here's a tip: ride a 2009 DL650 with abs. Do lots of braking whilst loaded up. Then get on your XT1200 and revel in the excellent brakes. Trying to compare sports bikes with big trail bikes is pointless. They're different tools for different jobs...with different brakes.

 

[mran]

Here's a tip: ride a 2009 DL650 with abs. Do lots of braking whilst loaded up. Then get on your XT1200 and revel in the excellent brakes. Trying to compare sports bikes with big trail bikes is pointless. They're different tools for different jobs...with different brakes.

I mean i raise you a gs... it stopped and felt wayyy better.. Just live with it isnt really what i was looking for with that logic why even swap the bags or add running lights?

They can be made better while improving the shitty micro switch so why not. Im not trying to take it around cota (it may go around road america tho)

 

[tallpaul]

You're not talking about personal preferences in accessories. You're considering a change to the fundamental operation of the brakes, which is a bit deeper and could affect the legality of the bike (in some countries). Your cash and your ass but all bikes are a compromise. I'm not suggesting this is you, but I've never heard of anyone wanting an amalgamation of GS (ruffty tufty looks), KTM (loadsa power) and Multistrada (excellent handling and brakes) and coming up with a Super Tenere as the answer.

 

[Boris]

I wasn’t impressed with the stock brakes either, they weren’t bad but I thought could be better. A change to EBC HH pads in the front definitely improved matters and without any noticeable disc wear over about 15-20k miles. The calipers are quite an old design, not sure they were ever really intended to work brilliantly on a 260+ kg adventure style bike.

 

[mran]

You're not talking about personal preferences in accessories. You're considering a change to the fundamental operation of the brakes, which is a bit deeper and could affect the legality of the bike (in some countries). Your cash and your ass but all bikes are a compromise. I'm not suggesting this is you, but I've never heard of anyone wanting an amalgamation of GS (ruffty tufty looks), KTM (loadsa power) and Multistrada (excellent handling and brakes) and coming up with a Super Tenere as the answer.

Lol man, no its still gunna be hydraulic, still the same fluid, still the same principle.. Its not changing any of the fundamentals of the braking system. Changing characteristics sure.

No but you see it go the other way all the time hell id bet you've done it your self. Different exhaust, flash or tune, better plugs, more efficient coolant and the list goes on and on..

Guess I dont understand why your making a big deal about a master swap its pretty basic. To say just enjoy it for what it is.. You can.. More power to ya

 

[mran]

I wasn’t impressed with the stock brakes either, they weren’t bad but I thought could be better. A change to EBC HH pads in the front definitely improved matters and without any noticeable disc wear over about 15-20k miles. The calipers are quite an old design, not sure they were ever really intended to work brilliantly on a 260+ kg adventure style bike.

I would definitely like to try some different pads too maybe ill shoot for the ebc's. I was gunna go sbs just because ive used them in the past. Wouldn't mind a little more initial bite over the stock ones. Did you do all steel lines as well?

I was thinking the same thing about the calipers. Would have liked to have seen something better.

 

[Boris]

No changes to the lines, but clean the calipers thoroughly each year as well as changing the fluid.

Lack of bite is exactly how I found the set up with the standard Yamaha pads, you know when you ask for that extra bit when wanted/needed, and it wasn’t there........it is with the HH pads. Don’t expect miracles, but it’s definitely better! IMO the standard pad compound isn’t aggressive enough, which is why some get well in excess of 25k miles on them, or, they just ride far more sedately than I do, either way they didn’t work for me and they were binned way before needing to be.

Let us know what changes you make and how you get on, I’d be interested to know.

 

[Boris]

I would definitely like to try some different pads too maybe ill shoot for the ebc's. I was gunna go sbs just because ive used them in the past. Wouldn't mind a little more initial bite over the stock ones. Did you do all steel lines as well?

I was thinking the same thing about the calipers. Would have liked to have seen something better.

Have a read of this thread, you’ll get an idea of some of what you’ll come up against.

Pad change

I've now done about 14k mile on my Gen1 bike and have never really been happy with the performance of the brakes, feeling that they lacked any real bite, suspecting that the pad choice was the problem. After a total of almost 17k miles I decided enough and changed to EBC HH pads. Am now happy...

www.yamahasupertenere.com

 

[jrusell]

The stock brembo radial that Yamaha uses on the earlier R6/R1 models would be a good candidate my opinion.
It is a very good master and a common upgrade for a lot of track/club racers. Our callipers are the same as those on the early R6/R1 and they were designed toward together and work great. Probably one of the best stock brake setups on the modern sport bikes IMO.

Unfortunately the double brake switch would be an issue and it wouldn't be a simple bolt on solution.
I don't have an issue with the stock brakes, but agree they are not as good as a nice radial master.

I had one of these master cylinders and another Brembo but sold them a few months before I picked up my S10. Kicking myself right now as I am sure they would have worked great on my bike. Also the remote reservoir would be nicer than the stock integrated reservoir.

Biggest issue would be be brake switch, but that could be sorted out if you don't mind tinkering with things.
I still keep an eye on my local club racing forums for a used one. If one ever shows up I might give it a try.

 

[jrusell]

Your thread just reminded me I have a set of Brembo Calipers and adapter brackets that were made for early Yamahas. Bought with a set of Ohlins forks years ago, but I never used them because I preferred the Yamaha callipers and R6 master I mentioned.

I know these will bolt up to the tenere, but can't remember what rotor diameter they were designed for. Will make this my project for the day, and maybe I just found a new for sale item.

 

[mran]

Have a read of this thread, you’ll get an idea of some of what you’ll come up against.

Pad change

I've now done about 14k mile on my Gen1 bike and have never really been happy with the performance of the brakes, feeling that they lacked any real bite, suspecting that the pad choice was the problem. After a total of almost 17k miles I decided enough and changed to EBC HH pads. Am now happy...

www.yamahasupertenere.com

Cool ill check it out. Will report back if i find a master to try it out on. Unfortunately i sold the brembo and cbr stock master..

The stock brembo radial that Yamaha uses on the earlier R6/R1 models would be a good candidate my opinion.
It is a very good master and a common upgrade for a lot of track/club racers. Our callipers are the same as those on the early R6/R1 and they were designed toward together and work great. Probably one of the best stock brake setups on the modern sport bikes IMO.

Unfortunately the double brake switch would be an issue and it wouldn't be a simple bolt on solution.
I don't have an issue with the stock brakes, but agree they are not as good as a nice radial master.

I had one of these master cylinders and another Brembo but sold them a few months before I picked up my S10. Kicking myself right now as I am sure they would have worked great on my bike. Also the remote reservoir would be nicer than the stock integrated reservoir.

Biggest issue would be be brake switch, but that could be sorted out if you don't mind tinkering with things.
I still keep an eye on my local club racing forums for a used one. If one ever shows up I might give it a try.

Ill look out for the r6 ones should be able to pick one up cheap with how popular the r6 is.
Any radial master too for that matter off a sport bike should work great. Nissin and toyko or something like that. There good bits too

I got a 12 so only the one brake switch. I dont see a reason why you couldnt just tie the cruise into just the one switch onthe 14+. I doubt the ecu is sending out any kind of reference signal or runs much of a diagnostic on it. I think it would work but dont quote me on that.

Yes those calipers look sweet let us know if they mount up fine if you decide to try em out. I think the tenere has 310s? Which may work out some of the earlier sport bikes had them. Think my 07 cbr was a 320. Now there up to like 330s i believe on some of the liter bikes.