tallpaul
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The orange one. The grey one starts in January.I lost track...who is the current president today?
Life! (corona virus, non informative, non hysterical post)
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Here's what we know about the new variant of coronavirus | Sharon Peacock
We’ll need more evidence to understand how it might change the pandemic, says Sharon Peacock, director of the genomics centre that sequenced the new variant
www.theguardian.com
squarebore
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For a different perspective, I visited some relatives for 1 night in an area that was 6 days later identified as a covid hot zone (20 cases). I'm now on a 14 day isolation order.
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PineLaneRider
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I lost 1/3 of my workforce for 14 days because one worker tested positive and the others were deemed close contact since they were working together installing a boiler system.
Revealed: Guardian/KHN find nearly 3,000 US health workers died of Covid
New analysis shows a far higher number of healthcare worker deaths than those reported by the government
www.theguardian.com
Feel for you because the isolation sure gets boring.
Unfortunately, while it's an all too common perspective these days I have a number of family members who believe getting COVID probably happen to them and assume they will not have lingering issues if they do get it. I turned down attending a big Christmas party even though "The doors and windows will be open and people can stay outdoors if they want."
And I was told "After all it's just a different kind of flu and I've had plenty of those so I've got a strong immune system and shit needs to get done."
As well as "Masks are the choice of the store owner. If he has a sign and is wearing a mask, I'll respect his wishes in his place." implying he will only wear a mask when he has to.
Till we can get a lot of people vaccinated, I have family members doing their best to keep us stuck here. The US has a third the population of India and is massively more affluent, yet India is flattening their curve (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/cumulative-cases).
People with attitudes like some of my family's "I'm not worried" are who keep making us worse.
pooh and xtine
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Covid will have far less impact on India because its population is much younger (27) than the USA (38) and they’re not fat either. As we know covid is only dangerous to the elderly and the overweight - that’s why it‘s hitting the West and not Africa, India and Asia generally. We’ve become old, lazy and fat in the West and we’re paying the price. Liberal western democracies are also unable to admit the truth or take the tough decisions, so we shut our entire economies down instead of isolating the 5% of the vulnerable population. The upside is that it will rebalance the disparity in wealth between the West and developing nations because we’ll bankrupt ourselves vainly trying to save the over 80s and the overweight.
Sorry but i think you grabbed a couple of stats and made something out of it. Just to give you an idea of the differences between India and USA read this and they dont look so healthy.
Pollution killed nearly 1.7m people in India in 2019 – study
Lancet report finds that toxic air caused rise in lung cancer, stroke and other diseases
www.theguardian.com
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ballisticexchris
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Now I know you are making some kind of sick joke. COVID does not discriminate. An elderly, overweight person in very poor health with underlying conditions can get it and never know they have it passing it on until it runs its course of being contagious.
I already know someone who tested positive that is over 60, overweight, high blood pressure, etc. He thought he had the flu and it was COVID. Did not work for 14 days (only because employer would not allow it). He did not listen to doctors either and continued to go out and not caring about spreading the crap. He is back to his normal self with no hospitalization.
A perfectly healthy young teenager or adult who is in olympian fitness can get the virus, go on a respirator and die in a matter of days. My wife's uncle is an example. Perfect health, very fit, avid skier, hiker, etc. Got COVID, went on respirator and dead in no time at all.
pooh and xtine
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Your examples suggest that vulnerability to covid is entirely random, but this is not the case. We are vaccinating the over 80s first because they are the most vulnerable to covid. We then move to the over 70s and so on because age is the most significant risk factor. We can’t focus on the overweight vulnerable group because it’s the last great taboo - you’d have to fat shame half the population and nobody (and certainly no government) has the guts to do that. So we continue to take ineffective and catastrophically expensive steps based on a known blind spot that we can’t admit to. Lockdowns are pointless because they just destroy the economy and delay the inevitable progress of the virus.
We are seeing the inexorable decline of western liberal democracy because of political correctness and an inability of consensus politics to take tough decisions (as Vladimir Putin has said). It’s not the virus that is killing us, but our stupid strategy for responding to it.
I wish this was a sick joke, but believe me, it isn’t.
pooh and xtine
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And another thing........! There is no evidence that lockdowns have ever saved a single life, but plenty of evidence that they haven’t worked. Here in Wales there have been rigorous restrictions during which the infection rate and hospital admissions have risen. The “experts” blithely claim the things would have been worse if we hadn’t shut everything down, but there is no evidence that this is the case. Sweden has not closed its economy and the impact of the virus has been indistinguishable from almost all other Western European countries.
This virus will take its course through the population just as viruses have done throughout human history. Attempting to arrest this process is like King Canute trying to stop the tide coming in. Find a vaccine and the virus will mutate (just as colds and flu do every year). Eventually the virus will fade away and lose its potency and we will develop significant resistance to it, but our actions will have had very little impact on the overall outcome. However, we can easily bankrupt ourselves trying.
This virus will take its course through the population just as viruses have done throughout human history. Attempting to arrest this process is like King Canute trying to stop the tide coming in. Find a vaccine and the virus will mutate (just as colds and flu do every year). Eventually the virus will fade away and lose its potency and we will develop significant resistance to it, but our actions will have had very little impact on the overall outcome. However, we can easily bankrupt ourselves trying.
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ballisticexchris
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He was very fit for his age and still skied and hiked. His death was very sudden due to contracting COVID. The main point I'm making is COVID has no rhyme or reason as to some of the population it is killing.
He has no clue. Nothing but quotes from BBC Network. The CNN of the UK. More fake news. Just wait until it hits home and you actually experience what happens to people in your personal life.
I think " the evidence " will be seen in the drop in infection rates which will then translate to a drop in deaths. Unless you know people who work in the NHS on the front line you wont get to hear it from the " horses mouth " which can leave you open to other opinions which can make you into a horses arse.
Chris i really must pull you up over the BBC nonsense. Please dont compare them to CNN they are funded by the public. Something which i dont believe you have over there. Yes they can make mistakes but your comment would suggest we all all stupid over here if we watch it.
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ballisticexchris
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Oh no not at all Sir. Hell, I even watch BBC and CNN both just for the entertainment value. Both news networks regardless of funding very rarely get anything right and twist almost everything into a lie. Neither network is reliable source of accurate information.
I'm doing nothing more than making a juxtaposition that is comparable to socialist newspapers such as Daily Mirror/ Guardian and LA Times/New York Post.
The person that has had "plenty flus", has not had THE flu. And If they did, their immune system is nothing to brag about. I had thought that I had had the flu. . . . until I actually got the no shit flu. Apparently I had only had bad colds. Not the same. . . . at all. And, yes, a cavalier attitude doesn't help.
I agree. Texas shut down for three months. Didn't stop the flu, but it did stop bills getting paid. Our Governor has made the statement that he will not do another shutdown, but will restrict occupancy at certain businesses.
Future D.I.L says that the vast majority of deaths she sees are the old. . . . and . . . . or. . . . unfit/obese. She says there are very few deaths if the person is reasonably fit. Being fit doesn't stop you from getting it though. She works in the covid wing at one of our larger hospitals.
My ex works as a nurse at NIH and the nurse across the street is burned out from working so much OT at another hospital. I'll agree with pooh about the majority of fatals being old (hey - that's me!) or having other conditions.
HOWEVER -
We keep hearing from both of them and my 30 year old kids about how many younger people they see or know who have just been de-railed for long periods or have issues lingering for months. Yes, the docs can treat the disease and have reduced the fatality rate, but the potential of living impaired for a long period or even the rest of my life is what I'm more concerned about. Rather than just watching the news, these are reliable people in the middle of this shit storm with first had knowledge relating how bad the situation is.
As for India, I've been there in the Bangalore and New Delhi areas enough times to be fairly comfortable in country and can say that it's not simply because people are not overweight as opposed to us in the West. That's bullshit.
HOWEVER -
We keep hearing from both of them and my 30 year old kids about how many younger people they see or know who have just been de-railed for long periods or have issues lingering for months. Yes, the docs can treat the disease and have reduced the fatality rate, but the potential of living impaired for a long period or even the rest of my life is what I'm more concerned about. Rather than just watching the news, these are reliable people in the middle of this shit storm with first had knowledge relating how bad the situation is.
As for India, I've been there in the Bangalore and New Delhi areas enough times to be fairly comfortable in country and can say that it's not simply because people are not overweight as opposed to us in the West. That's bullshit.