SHUMBA
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SHUMBA again, yesterday, I rode, rode, rode. As I said earlier, she's like one of my old girl friends, I just couldn't stay off of her.
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Life! (corona virus, non informative, non hysterical post)
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SHUMBA
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Agree, with any medication, only take as prescribed. Now chloroquine was sold OTC in Rhodesia back in the '70s. Just prior to my call ups, I would take a cloroquin tablet. Can't remember how many I took, but certainly followed the directions on the box.The Lancet strives to peer review to publish medical articles which are beyond reproach, they are the oldest medical journal and not some tabloid or fringy news outlet.
Various countries started a number of trials before The Lancet article pulled all the data together for the 93,000 patients in the study. In fact, the Lancet article mentioned that there were a number of small studies and those insufficiently supported by small data sets. Now that this much data has been collected and analyzed, it'd be hard to imagine the new trials coming up with new and unique results at this point.
The bottom line is still that prescribed doses are effective for malaria and other intended purposes, BUT according to the article there is:
- no prevention of COVID-19,
- no effect on patients who have COVID-19,
- it can kill you,
- a side effect is that it can create heart arrhythmia, which can lead to more severe problems in us older folks.
If you want to be like Trump (risking that he wasn't lying) and take it then go for it, knowing those risks.
fwiw - Traveling like I used to, we'd use the anti-malarial meds a lot and I've seen side effects of mis-using hydroxy twice in 32 years, once on a flight to India and once in Cameroon. None of us knew it till there was a problem, but a co-worker swallowed extra before and after getting getting on the flight to India. (Traveling with him something always happened.) He later said that he thought if a little is good a lot is probably better. He was irrational and mildly bouncing off the walls before the plane landed and we could get a doctor involved and figure out what was going on. Not a good time for any of us and we ultimately had to baby-sit him in a Bangalore hotel for a day. He would've been in real trouble if he'd been alone. The time in Cameroon the guy who took it did have a heart arrythmia when we were in a sweat-house of a boot-sucking mud in a hot steamy jungle. We thought he was having a heart attack and carrying him out for about a km was an absolute bitch. Once in an air conditioned car he started to do a bit better but it continued till getting to a hospital. In Cameroon, which is about as 3rd world as you get.
imho - hydroxy is nothing to F*ck around with, but again you get to make your own choice.
I spent a considerable amount of time in the bush amongst the African population who are riddled with malaria and fortunately I never contracted malaria.
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Same thing here in Wisconsin. We have seen about 500 new cases per day for the last week. On a side note the Minneapolis metro hospitals ICU beds are at 95% capacity as reported on the national news, not all coronavirus cases, but still near full. They are sending younger adults to the children's hospital. What happened to the CDC guidelines for reopening states?
May I add. "Vaccine or no vaccine...we're back." "You have 15 people, and then the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero." "We have it under control."
Eville Rich
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Freedumb for me, sickness for thee.
In Rock County (WI), theres a pretty good number of tests getting performed. A recent spike in diagnosed cases, may due to more testing. But the rate of positive tests was around 25 percent. Far above the five percent rate that needs to be sustained. This doesn't mean 25 percent of the population has it (could be more, could be less). But hey, let's go to the bar. The Supreme Court ruled for the adolescent notions of freedom, so like children, many people confused "the govenment can't make do something" with "now I should do whatever my ego tells me." That's what freedumb is all about, right?
We picked up some takeout on Friday evening from a local tavern. Wife went in with her mask and reported zero people with masks all just hanging out. Not great. I'll be spending my takeout money elsewhere for a good while.
Eville Rich
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The numbers would be higher because the outdoor, drive through test sites were closed for 2 days last week due to thunderstorms. Now, they are closed entirely. So, the only testing going on will be at healthcare provider facilities. Now, I need to figure out how to give myself a haircut so my helmet fits.
Eville Rich
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Beard trimmer. Get some help to touch it up. I'm going to keep my hair very short after this. Helmet feels much better.
Madhatter
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sunshine kills the virus and rain washes it away , today we have had both . most outdoor surfaces are good for a moment or two. more have recovered than have it in my county of Hays ,Texas . 266 total cases 70 active 4 hospitalized 3 deaths as of this past Friday.
SHUMBA
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Very sorry to hear of the people who sadly passed away in your county.
I'm in Stratford Ontario Canada and we have had about six people die from this disease.
No where on this planet appears to be immune. Sadly, its picking on the elderly population, ah shit, I'm gonna be seventy in a month, but I'm a gonna ride until my last day on my Tenere.
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Yup, I cut my own hair 3 X now and I ain't going back to the hair choppers.
Cause I can do an equal if not better cut than they can, oh but I miss the purty gals fussin about with me hair.
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RonH
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Everyone here in Colorado wears a mask 24hrs a day even while eating, and it hasn't made any difference that I can tell from the stats. New Chinese mask with a flap for eating through $0.04 each by the 1000 vs $0.02 each for a standard issue Chinese mask, so much more expensive though. I'm at a stay at home status for the rest of my life. Try to go into any business around here to shop, and see 100 people lined up 6ft apart with masks of course waiting to enter as a store is limited to two people per 1,000 square ft or whatever. I can't look at 5,000,000 people with masks walking, riding a bike, sitting on a bus bench, standing in line ect, ect. I'd rather atay home and look at the four walls.I said it the first day this crap hit, "our lives are over", and after 4 months my attitude has got worse if that's possible.
SHUMBA
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Hey RonH,
This shit is all gonna pass, don't know when, but we'll get together then.
Y'all heard it.
My child arrived just the other day
He came to the world in the usual way
But there were planes to catch, and bills to pay
He learned to walk while I was away
And he was talking 'fore I knew it, and as he grew
He'd say "I'm gonna be like you, dad"
"You know I'm gonna be like you"
Harry Chappin
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Madhatter
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mask are a joke . everybody selling mask now even on tv... the add says they will protect you from all kinds of bacterial ,pollen dust etc but not viruses (virus not listed in add ) . a chain link fence is more effective keeping mosquitos out of your yard than the mask keeping the virus out of your moist places. remember a virus is not seen except through an electron type microscope . a man in my church has an 85 plus Dad who got the c19 , he recovered . no rhyme or reason it seems with this crap .... dance monkeys dance ........
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ballisticexchris
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I don't see them as a joke. More of a tool for virus prevention. I'm not sure how well it works from getting the virus. I do know if I unknowingly have the virus then the mask will prevent me from spreading it to someone else. I will say it's ridiculous to think the mask is going to be my only protection. Not having human contact outside my home is the only way to be 100% sure of not getting it.
The big danger is when I have to leave my home for required survival supplies or doctor visits. I'm clean shaven I wear a 3M N95 mask sealed around my face with a second cheap "blue mask" over it and rubber gloves. I avoid all contact with humans as much as I can within well over 6' range. It's all I can do for now until this virus gets under control.
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Ummm - No.
Sunshine can dry out the virus and after a longer time UV could possibly kill it. It's not like going in the sunshine kills it.
Masks are not a joke, and as written in a later part of the following from the Mayo Clinic, they stop the droplets which carry the virus. While stopping the virus itself would need more, almost any fabric is capable of stopping the droplets which the virus is being carried in.
Can face masks protect against COVID-19?
Face masks can help slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Learn about mask types, which masks to use and how to use them.
www.mayoclinic.org
"Can face masks help prevent the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the disease.
So why weren't face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn't yet know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don't have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.
These discoveries led the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to do an about-face on face masks. The CDCupdated its guidance to recommend widespread use of simple cloth face coverings to help prevent transmission of COVID-19 by people who have the virus but don't know it.
Some public health groups argue that masks should be reserved for health care providers and point to the critical shortage of surgical masks and N95 masks. The CDC acknowledged this concern when it recommended cloth masks for the public and not the surgical and N95 masks needed by health care providers.
Cloth masks
Asking everyone to wear cloth masks can help reduce the spread of COVID-19 by people who have the disease but don't realize it. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic seem to have had some success slowing the disease's spread.
Cloth masks are cheap and simple to make. Instructions are easy to find online. Masks can be made from common materials, such as sheets made of tightly woven cotton. The CDC website even includes directions for no-sew masks made from bandannas and T-shirts. Cloth masks should include multiple layers of fabric."
Madhatter
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Cwrecks , we will not agree on some of this , I respect your opinion , and I don't trust the media or the government "just because they say so " . too much lies from both camps on a variety of subjects to trust either one . I wash my hands , I cover my mouth when I cough or sneeze before this and through this(my Mom taught me well ) . I have stories about this that are contrary to the norm . my friends Dad is one , by all the hype he should be dead but he is well now. now he is 85 plus ,eventually being 85 plus will get him . "they" lift restrictions and the next day we hear about a surge in cases ..... in one day , no way they no that . and as far as not showing symptoms and spreading this crap, they are guessing . if your not sick no one is going to know to test you , they would have to test you weekly or even day to day to have a chance to prove some one with out symptoms is spreading this..... is it possible, maybe , but to say it as truth when its not is just more lies.
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ballisticexchris
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I hear you Terry. This damn virus is so new and there are way too many unknown variables that are not understood by anyone including the experts. And yes I have to agree that a lot of our political figures and medical experts are guessing.
The strangest thing about it IMO, is how an unhealthy person with a heart condition, lung disease, etc gets it and has zero symptoms. They are a carrier and spread it for the full 2 weeks without even knowing they had it.
Then you have a perfectly healthy person that shows the symptoms, ends up in the hospital on a respirator, and dies just like that.
That's why the charts and statistics only tell a very small part of how serious this is. Only reason some of the other countries around the world are "looking good" is simply due to the lack of testing.
The strangest thing about it IMO, is how an unhealthy person with a heart condition, lung disease, etc gets it and has zero symptoms. They are a carrier and spread it for the full 2 weeks without even knowing they had it.
Then you have a perfectly healthy person that shows the symptoms, ends up in the hospital on a respirator, and dies just like that.
That's why the charts and statistics only tell a very small part of how serious this is. Only reason some of the other countries around the world are "looking good" is simply due to the lack of testing.
Tenman
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Almost 100k dead in th US. I wear a mask when in public and social distancing myself. It may help. If you don’t. You could be part of the problem.
Madhatter
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all over the news tonight and this morning , a second wave of virus is coming , just in time to close down everything else all over again . that's what the experts are saying . I'm saying no more football , or any other sports , raging inflation and unemployment figures the world has never seen , social upheaval that will kill millions , a loss of freedom that will never come back . enjoy what you have now , because it will not last as this thing continues to dominate our lives . from a free people to a police state is not far away . they are training you for it now. dance monkeys dance.