ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790

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I'm thinking that this is the last year of the 690s production , once the 17s are gone there gone.... they are no longer listed on their website, just teasers on the 790 , which will be a vertical twin.... husky 701 got the improved motor that would be another clue....
 

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Re: ktm 690 is going away i think....

please do not watch the KTM video of the 790 on their website..... Yamaha should watch it.
 

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Re: ktm 690 is going away i think....

my title is not generating much response..... should have titled ktm 690 leaving for Yamaha beating ( t7 ) ktm 790.
 

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No disagreement here. Yamaha just doesn't care about the US market in this regard. They're more interested in the retro UJM market than the ADV Market. I think for them it's easier to meet emissions on bikes that are more about style than performance. When it comes to power and emissions KTM has the market cornered. Yamaha doesn't want to compete there because they're not willing to sell a street legal bike with a 120 day warranty like a KTM (less if used for competition).

It used to be Cheap, Reliable, Fast: Pick two.

For Yamaha it's Reliable, US Emissions Compliant, Fast. Yamaha is sticking with reliable and emissions friendly.

Before anyone jumps on me for knocking KTM's reliability, I own a 2017 KTM 500 EXC-F. The bike is too lean off the showroom floor to be reliable. Getting rid of the stock emissions equipment and fuel map are required mods before break in is complete.
 

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it would make sense for them to drop the 690. It's getting long in the tooth, and is neither here nor there (think exc 500 and 1090). A lot of the guys I ride off road with had 690s. They are odd bikes.
Not good for hwy, too big to trail ride.
I'm pretty sure the T7 will show up. They would be stupid not to bring it to the NA market.
Honda's done well with their AT, and yamaha needs a new face in the ADV bike stable. Let's face it, the tenere is no spring chicken either.

That said, the 790 is a brand new motor for KTM. I'd wait a few years before looking at one. Hell, even a 1090 which is a simplified 1190 scared me off (duff fuel pumps, fuel tanks, and dodgy air filters). I'm picking up a new 2017 AT next month.
 

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Defekticon said:
Before anyone jumps on me for knocking KTM's reliability, I own a 2017 KTM 500 EXC-F. The bike is too lean off the showroom floor to be reliable. Getting rid of the stock emissions equipment and fuel map are required mods before break in is complete.
LOL
I would never "jump on you" for any opinion. But those that did their research easily discovered the irritating changes for the 2017 model. (and the effort to STOP the buyer from easily addressing the EPA handcuffs)
In fact, some folks went out of their way to find leftover 2016's and lightly used 2012-2016's over buying a new 17.
Fortunately, there are some folks that report some really sweet running 17's after the needed modifications.

Regardless, I agree that Yamaha and KTM have far different criteria and goals. Both of which I find appealing. I think everyone should have at lest one of each! :)
 

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snakebitten said:
LOL
I would never "jump on you" for any opinion. But those that did their research easily discovered the irritating changes for the 2017 model. (and the effort to STOP the buyer from easily addressing the EPA handcuffs)
In fact, some folks went out of their way to find leftover 2016's and lightly used 2012-2016's over buying a new 17.
Fortunately, there are some folks that report some really sweet running 17's after the needed modifications.

Regardless, I agree that Yamaha and KTM have far different criteria and goals. Both of which I find appealing. I think everyone should have at lest one of each! :)
can I stay in the club if it's going to be a Honda and KTM? ::013::
 

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greg the pole said:
can I stay in the club if it's going to be a Honda and KTM? ::013::
First of all, YES. You're welcome in any club they would let ME into. :)

But second, and don't take this wrong, but you firmly developed the opinion in my mind that you may or may NOT stick with the Honda.
Or put another way, I wouldn't make the mistake of etching in stone ANY bike that Greg The Pole brings home.
Some stay a while. (The Super Tenere certainly did) Some barely last a few dates.

One thing for sure......whatever itch it is that a bike is supposed to scratch, if it doesn't scratch it sufficiently, you don't lose sleep over it.
 

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::015:: thanks Snake,

Dunno man, I have a whole bunch of stuff ready to go for the AT. I think it will be a perfect bike with the right bolt ons.

I want to focus on riding this year..ermm next year. Not sweating the small stuff. Dec 22nd is the big day!
 

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snakebitten said:
LOL
I would never "jump on you" for any opinion. But those that did their research easily discovered the irritating changes for the 2017 model. (and the effort to STOP the buyer from easily addressing the EPA handcuffs)
In fact, some folks went out of their way to find leftover 2016's and lightly used 2012-2016's over buying a new 17.
Fortunately, there are some folks that report some really sweet running 17's after the needed modifications.

Regardless, I agree that Yamaha and KTM have far different criteria and goals. Both of which I find appealing. I think everyone should have at lest one of each! :)
Very true! I was lucky and got the Euro map before Thumper Racing stopped being able to flash them in June. KTM locked all the dealers out of being able to do that sometime in June. The aftermarket has prevailed however, and the Vortex replacement ECU is getting rave reviews from everyone that owns a 17-18 EXC now. I'm even thinking about replacing my euro map ECU with it. I occasionally get a flame out when doing low speed single track, which hasn't bothered me enough to switch since I don't ride single track very often.

I love my 17. It's a perfect complement sitting next to the Tenere.
 

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I love my 17. It's a perfect complement sitting next to the Tenere.
Couldn't agree more!
If I'm ANYWHERE in the world and have both at my disposal, (in the Toy Hauler these days) it's like I have ALL the bases covered. What kind of jaunt isn't covered?

By the way, although mine is a Gen 1 Tenere, I had to do the same thing to it to get it fueled properly as I did to the KTM. So technically, I see no difference.
Maybe one needs it even more than the other, but these days almost everything comes hand-cuffed from running the way the design engineers would\could have wanted it.

Just bought a new F150 with the 2nd generation Eco-3.5. I just can't get my head around how fantastic that thing runs. But there is no doubt that it must have even more locked away inside due to the same modern day EPA requirements.
 

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I have a question , should one consider buying a final year model ( any brand ) and what might be a long term consequence ( parts etc. ) ? the local dealer has a '17 model at a large discount. 8500.00 for a new 690.
 

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Madhatter said:
I have a question , should one consider buying a final year model ( any brand ) and what might be a long term consequence ( parts etc. ) ? the local dealer has a '17 model at a large discount. 8500.00 for a new 690.
For KTM 2017/2018 marks a major change in their line up to meet new emissions regulations in the light of the Volkwagen Dieselgate scandal. KTM is redesigning engines and emissions systems to avoid prison time for executives. But what that means for the consumer? Well they engineered their emissions system in such a way that makes it apparent they expect the end user to immediately remove that equipment to make the engine run reliably.

Just my observation that I've seen echo'd across advrider, thumpertalk, and ktmtalk.

TL;DR: Yeah the last model year for KTM's previous line up just means less work to make it run reliably.
 

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Madhatter said:
I have a question , should one consider buying a final year model ( any brand ) and what might be a long term consequence ( parts etc. ) ? the local dealer has a '17 model at a large discount. 8500.00 for a new 690.

The 690 is a great bike and that is a fantastic price. Because the 690 has been around so long there are no end of people and companies providing goodies for it. If you do buy one, how are you going to feel when the next model comes out with tighter turning and whatever other new features it will be endowed with?


I sold mine a week ago because it just had too much overlap with the capabilities of the Super Tenere. For a second bike, I've been doing the 3 Bears story. The WR250R was too underpowered, the 690 was big and it had a lot of overlap with the Tenere, and now Snakebitten keeps teasing me with stories about how the 350XCFW is just right.


 

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it was and is a rhetorical question , ktm 690 going away..... it started with a conversation with my neighbor who owns a husky 701, had me looking at ktm 690 more for curiosity than anything else at this time in life.... noticed on KTM site 690 not featured , so the neighbor is thinking that KTM is letting it go because the 790 is about to come to production... 701 got the revised motor and other improvements , hard to believe the parent company would let husky out perform their own product. ktm has a promotional video on the 790 on their site... the Austin KTM dealer is TJ's cycles , they have one at a discount... so if the 690 is not discontinued that's cool too. I have been thinking of a second bike , something lighter than the tenere , 690,701,500, 350, dr 650 , not sure but it would have to be lighter. am not planning on not having the tenere ( after all the farkles wife would have me by the short hairs if I got rid of it, besides I still like the old girl.) ( bike and wife )go away, so for grins lets say the 690 is toast , other than more power what would a 790 bring to the table worth having... if its heavy and it has to be heavier than a 690, its not as good in the dirt . the t7 or how ever it appears would have to have power because it will be heavy or whats the point. I already have a heavy dirt orientated street bike that keeps going where I point it.... but its not a trail bike. do I want a trail bike , maybe , or just one that can handle the trails that doesn't weigh twice what I weigh. there is a lot of manufactures activity moving it seems in the 1000cc to 800cc area. I like the big torque motor , its why I bought the tenere, but it has limits. and weight is the limiter. and lighter has its own limits.
 

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so I have a little time this morning and see that Krussel is correct it is (690) on the website. it was not there a few weeks ago when I was looking for it. this seems to happen on the Yamaha site with the tenere occasionally sparking much conversation whether Yamaha is bringing back another model year of our bike. and the ktm site is pushing the 790 r as a "it probably is coming " new model. the 790 duke is rated at 105 hp, so if the R comes this will be the possible power output of the 790r. there is your bench mark Yamaha.
 
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