It's time for an update Yamaha.

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What is the actual difference on the LE ST1300? That is so interesting.
Couple of others will jump in, but it has a governor to limit it to 125 mph, and I believe a slightly different electrical system. Different switches to accommodate for the siren/lights switches.

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What is the actual difference on the LE ST1300? That is so interesting.
The LE (law enforcement) versions have several differences to the civilian model. Perhaps the most important difference is a different ECM with top speed limitation. This was done because of high speed instability complaints when the bikes were fully equipped for police duty. Other differences include, handle bar risers so that the right side police switch pod will clear the tank at full lock, single seat, radio cowl in place of rear seat, paint color, and a different swing arm bearing design (left side) also to improve stability. There may be other changes like suspension, passenger pegs delete, etc.


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I have had a good read of this thread. Including the non ST bits. I always fancied a wing.... but I like going around corners to much and of course over here in England we have plenty of them. There is a lovely S bend about half a mile from my house which persuaded me to buy my Varadero When I test road it. It is interesting that a lot of the videos from the “mericans“ are people coming off Harleys and comparing the difference.
That is about as much as I know About wings.

I digress.

I am probably going to be buying a bike, it will be next year, money permitting and on paper the super ten is what suits me. So let me bore you with a little bit about me and my riding.
I don’t actually do much off-road, bit of green laning is all. Don’t get me wrong, I have been thinking about getting more into it This year soooo maybe see what next year comes up with. I have just discovered the trans European trail, thanks itchy boots, and that has really piqued my interest especially as it runs nearly past my house, go figure.
I use my bike for commuting and going on, mainly, tarmac roads. Weekends away, long trips, couple of thousand miles at a time on the linger trips. Last year I rode down to Portugal, The roads, oh the roads, you would not believe how good the roads were, no traffic to be seen for over an hour, fantastic bends, sorry getting carried away again. This year I was in Ireland, year before last I did another trip over to Ireland, I was supposed to go to France this year but, hey ho.
Back to bike.
I had a GS for 5 years, I have now had my Varadero for 6. So you can see I don’t change my bikes very often. I like the adventure bike style as I find it comfortable. At six foot two I just can’t get comfortable on the 'normal' touring bike. I also find the handling on the adventure style surprisingly good on the twisties.

So what do I want and why would I change a perfectly good bike for a new one?
Essentials,
I want 200 mile range minimum before hitting reserve. I can manage 245 before reserve on the Varadero. The Beemer wasn’t so good.
Shaft drive is a must, Varadero is chain.
Cruise control, yup, I want cruise control, haven’t had it on any of my previous bikes but when you are doing long motorway stuff or going through speed restricted areas it helps, a lot, somI want that.
Power, that is an interesting one, the big thing I missed was going from 1200cc to 1000 you don’t think you would miss that bit of extra but I do on the top end, not so much the acceleration.
Fairing. Adjustable screen please, easily adjustable as well. Low to let the wind flow when it’s hot and high enough to put me in my air bubble to keep the noise down when it’s colder.
LCD screen. never had one before but if I am going to have one can it have good contrast so I can read it easily enough and with big letters cos my eyesight is not as good these days. Lol.
Reliability. Very important, I have always been a fan of the GS adventure but when I look on the forums, all I see are issues with this and that and it just but me off.
I read the forum here and there is an awful lot less complaints about things going wrong.
ohhh, just remembered.
Keyless entry or whatever they call it. Don’t bother, stick with a key, reliability issues, insurance issues with the fob thingies.
Dct or the quick changer. The dct intrigues me but isn’t essential, quick shifter would be a nice have.

There is a few other things regarding panniers and brakes but hey, that’s enough to keep things going for the moment. :)
 

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I would suggest an FJR. Gobbs of power, good range, electric windshield, descent bags, heated grips, E-suspension, cruise control, good screen, reliable as a brick, and shaft drive. But, not ideal for off road. The Tenere can do high speed travel, but it's not where she likes to be. You can tell from her mileage decrease as the speed increases. I mean, she a big twin, with a ton of grunt. She has most of the goodies I mentioned on the FJR, but not great bags if you stick with OE. The Raid Edition does have much better bags. She does not have a windshield that's adjustable while moving. Neither Yamaha has a DCT.

The Honda AT does have most of the same goodies, and it has a DCT. But, the Honda is more dirt orientated. And, then there's the siroco's suggestion.

But, this is the Super Tenere Forum. Ya' gotta know that we're going to be at least a little biased. And, I'm one of the most biased. She's my favorite bike ever. Many have came from an FJR; some still have one. Some have seen the light and came from the competition. And, yes, there's even a few that are still here. . . . even though they now ride the competition. We're lovable that way.

Good luck with your search. The old method of Pro/Cons list still works to sort it out. :)
 

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I have had a good read of this thread. Including the non ST bits. I always fancied a wing.... but I like going around corners to much and of course over here in England we have plenty of them. There is a lovely S bend about half a mile from my house which persuaded me to buy my Varadero When I test road it. It is interesting that a lot of the videos from the “mericans“ are people coming off Harleys and comparing the difference.
That is about as much as I know About wings.

I digress.

I am probably going to be buying a bike, it will be next year, money permitting and on paper the super ten is what suits me. So let me bore you with a little bit about me and my riding.
I don’t actually do much off-road, bit of green laning is all. Don’t get me wrong, I have been thinking about getting more into it This year soooo maybe see what next year comes up with. I have just discovered the trans European trail, thanks itchy boots, and that has really piqued my interest especially as it runs nearly past my house, go figure.
I use my bike for commuting and going on, mainly, tarmac roads. Weekends away, long trips, couple of thousand miles at a time on the linger trips. Last year I rode down to Portugal, The roads, oh the roads, you would not believe how good the roads were, no traffic to be seen for over an hour, fantastic bends, sorry getting carried away again. This year I was in Ireland, year before last I did another trip over to Ireland, I was supposed to go to France this year but, hey ho.
Back to bike.
I had a GS for 5 years, I have now had my Varadero for 6. So you can see I don’t change my bikes very often. I like the adventure bike style as I find it comfortable. At six foot two I just can’t get comfortable on the 'normal' touring bike. I also find the handling on the adventure style surprisingly good on the twisties.

So what do I want and why would I change a perfectly good bike for a new one?
Essentials,
I want 200 mile range minimum before hitting reserve. I can manage 245 before reserve on the Varadero. The Beemer wasn’t so good.
Shaft drive is a must, Varadero is chain.
Cruise control, yup, I want cruise control, haven’t had it on any of my previous bikes but when you are doing long motorway stuff or going through speed restricted areas it helps, a lot, somI want that.
Power, that is an interesting one, the big thing I missed was going from 1200cc to 1000 you don’t think you would miss that bit of extra but I do on the top end, not so much the acceleration.
Fairing. Adjustable screen please, easily adjustable as well. Low to let the wind flow when it’s hot and high enough to put me in my air bubble to keep the noise down when it’s colder.
LCD screen. never had one before but if I am going to have one can it have good contrast so I can read it easily enough and with big letters cos my eyesight is not as good these days. Lol.
Reliability. Very important, I have always been a fan of the GS adventure but when I look on the forums, all I see are issues with this and that and it just but me off.
I read the forum here and there is an awful lot less complaints about things going wrong.
ohhh, just remembered.
Keyless entry or whatever they call it. Don’t bother, stick with a key, reliability issues, insurance issues with the fob thingies.
Dct or the quick changer. The dct intrigues me but isn’t essential, quick shifter would be a nice have.

There is a few other things regarding panniers and brakes but hey, that’s enough to keep things going for the moment. :)
Well since reliability is on your list the ST fits the bill plus. And thanks for giving me an excuse to share this link, over 200,000 miles on His ST I don't know what impresses me more his mileage or the ST relibilty
1 stator failed at 175,000
1 coil failed at 204,000

 

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Well since reliability is on your list the ST fits the bill plus. And thanks for giving me an excuse to share this link, over 200,000 miles on His ST I don't know what impresses me more his mileage or the ST relibilty
1 stator failed at 175,000
1 coil failed at 204,000

i think thats eemsreno on here thats already commented

rob
 

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Crosstourer, interesting but tank is too small. Range not enough. Other than that ticks a lot of boxes.
Africa Twin, nice but chain drive. Deal breaker
FJR is too cramped for my 33 inch leg, I’ve had 2 1200 ZZR,s and they don’t do it for me. That and getting pulled for doing 121mph. Oops. On an interesting not it is alleged that a ZZR1200 with a 44 litre Givi top box will struggle to get past an indicated 165mph. Or so a friend told me.

so I have narrowed to a BMW 1200gs Adventure or the Super10. Hence why I'm here. The yam is winning hands down. :)
I also think the Yam looks nicer. But I may be odd.
 

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. . . . so I have narrowed to a BMW 1200gs Adventure or the Super10. Hence why I'm here. The yam is winning hands down. :) . . . .
Talk about burying the lead. :) If you've narrowed it to those two. . . . I would think the $10k US, difference would remove the final question. Like I said the T12 is my favorite bike ever. I still think the 1200/50 GSA is sexier. And, the Tiger 1200 is sexier than the Beemer. But, the Yamaha provides power, features, abilities, and. . . . most importantly. . . . rock solid reliability. At a price that is gonna be hard to beat; if not impossible. :cool:
 

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had 2 bmw,s the 1150gsa was the better of the 2 had that 7 yrs, had a 1200gsa for 2 yrs that was problem after problem thats why only 2 yrs
had my tenere 7 yrs now and as Sierra1 says best bike i,ve owned in 40 yrs of riding (had ducati,ktm,bimota,honda by the dozen as well)
 

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Talk about burying the lead. :) If you've narrowed it to those two. . . . I would think the $10k US, difference would remove the final question. Like I said the T12 is my favorite bike ever. I still think the 1200/50 GSA is sexier. And, the Tiger 1200 is sexier than the Beemer. But, the Yamaha provides power, features, abilities, and. . . . most importantly. . . . rock solid reliability. At a price that is gonna be hard to beat; if not impossible. :cool:
... and if you get the ECU flashed, the bike is a rocket!:rolleyes:
 

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so I have narrowed to a BMW 1200gs Adventure or the Super10. Hence why I'm here. The yam is winning hands down. :)
I also think the Yam looks nicer. But I may be odd.
As I've written here many times, riding a Beemer is nice and they perform well, but I have zero desire to own one for numerous reasons that have nothing to do with how inexpensive the Tenere is by comparison. I've had two BMW GS's that left me walking, friends with broken transmissions and rear ends, and while the Tenere is way down on power and feels more solid on the road (actually a good thing) the Tenere has become my reliable comfortable Super Tennis Shoe. I am definitely not easy on my bikes yet never worry about it, never have problems with it, know it will rip with folks I tend to ride with on back roads, is much better than the Beemer off road, and even tows a trailer well.

All that aside, after riding a 1250GS and Dirt_Dads' KTM 1290 SAS, I really do agree with the OP that the Tenere is WAY overdue for an update. From talks with the Yam corporate person I occasionally talk to (who is very tight lipped and acknowledges nothing), I believe this winter we will see Gen3.
 

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De las conversaciones con la persona corporativa de Yam con la que hablo ocasionalmente (que tiene los labios muy apretados y no reconoce nada), creo que este invierno veremos Gen3.

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As I've written here many times, riding a Beemer is nice and they perform well, but I have zero desire to own one for numerous reasons that have nothing to do with how inexpensive the Tenere is by comparison. I've had two BMW GS's that left me walking, friends with broken transmissions and rear ends, and while the Tenere is way down on power and feels more solid on the road (actually a good thing) the Tenere has become my reliable comfortable Super Tennis Shoe. I am definitely not easy on my bikes yet never worry about it, never have problems with it, know it will rip with folks I tend to ride with on back roads, is much better than the Beemer off road, and even tows a trailer well.

All that aside, after riding a 1250GS and Dirt_Dads' KTM 1290 SAS, I really do agree with the OP that the Tenere is WAY overdue for an update. From talks with the Yam corporate person I occasionally talk to (who is very tight lipped and acknowledges nothing), I believe this winter we will see Gen3.
it’s a good thing I don’t have any money at the moment. Makes it easy to hold off and see if they come out with a new generation. I can wait a year for the right product and if I don’t like it, well it should drive the price of the Gen 2 down And I would buy one of those. Win win I say.
 

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As I've written here many times, riding a Beemer is nice and they perform well, but I have zero desire to own one for numerous reasons that have nothing to do with how inexpensive the Tenere is by comparison. I've had two BMW GS's that left me walking, friends with broken transmissions and rear ends, and while the Tenere is way down on power and feels more solid on the road (actually a good thing) the Tenere has become my reliable comfortable Super Tennis Shoe. I am definitely not easy on my bikes yet never worry about it, never have problems with it, know it will rip with folks I tend to ride with on back roads, is much better than the Beemer off road, and even tows a trailer well.

All that aside, after riding a 1250GS and Dirt_Dads' KTM 1290 SAS, I really do agree with the OP that the Tenere is WAY overdue for an update. From talks with the Yam corporate person I occasionally talk to (who is very tight lipped and acknowledges nothing), I believe this winter we will see Gen3.
I wouldn't mind seeing some updates. I think they should keep the engine, the glorious 6 speed gearbox- fukin thing always has the right gear for what you're doing, and you just touch it with your foot to shift, and of course the simple solid yamaha final drive.

i'd be open to a little more tech on the dash- maybe even some smart phone compatibility- I think that's actually pretty cheap and easy to add now. The new guzzi v85tt has it...
Could probably get a few more horses out of it and better fueling (i haven't ridden the newest, i've got an unflashed '12). ABS shutoff at least for the rear and traction control shutoff while rolling would be nice options. i wouldn't be dead opposed to some decent yaw sensitive traction control and ABS, but i've never ridden a bike with it. I know yamaha won't put it in until they're confident in it.

Otherwise the bike is good. it's silly good offroad for 600 lbs. I like it better than my airhead GS offroad. suspension is way better. makes it easier despite the 100 lb weight difference.
 

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So. . . . how much more hp/lb ft does she need? How light do want her to be? What additional features are a "must have"? And. . . . how much more money are you willing to pay for for your high tech, light weight road missile? There's going to be trade-offs for the requested changes. Ass, grass, or gas. . . . nobody rides for free.
 
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