It never ends

[TimCov2012]

Excuse me, I need to vent.
I got my Tenere back up and running last month (burned out voltage regulator).
I got it inspected and the rear tire replaced this morning.
I then got it inspected registered, and a new rear tire this morning.
I decided to run some errands that would need my side cases to carry some things. I got to put on on, and the key breaks. I bought the bike used and I don't have a spare.
I called my local Yamaha dealer, and was informed that Yamaha doesn't sell keys based on VIN. I would have to replace all of the locks. I verified this with another dealer.
I called some locksmiths. One didn't handle motorcycles at all. One wanted me to bring the bike to them (I'm not another $125 towing charge). And, one might be able to do it, but his motorcycle guy is off today. His motorcycle guy is working tomorrow from 7 AM to 4 PM. I ned to call him and see if he can do it and how much it would be. I hope he can. Other wise I will be buying a used ignition and gas cap off of eBay and try to do it myself. I've looked at what it will take to do this. I really don't want to do it myself.

 

[Sierra1]

Daaaamn, are we related? 'Cuz I've had days like that. Back in the early '80, while working at Wal-Mart, I was working in the automotive section. A guy brought a broken key in, and wanted a new one. It was a clean break, put both pieces in the clamp, and after two failed attempts, had a key that worked. I haven't had to duplicate key in forever, but I heard that they don't cut keys that way anymore. So, if you can find an old school key cutter....you might have a chance.

 

[Chaz]

First -calm down- Breathe.

Part of my job included Locksmith.
Just have some of the same problem with my wife car...she lost one key and because she was selling the car, the new owner needs the two keys! Subaru was asking 450$!

You have to get the two part of your key .

Spray a lot of lub where she is and try to get it with small hair plier, small magnet...

With the 2 pieces someone competent will be able to copy the key patern.Easy.

With a decoder , it will scan the key to confirm what kind of chip are in your Yamaha key.
I did not verify but you can probably buy a blank from yamaha or amazon .
You can buy just the blank on ebay and buy the chip at your locksmith and he will put it inside .

**important**
With the xtz1200 anti theft system you need the red key to program a new one. And you need the broken one as well .
Its like a reverse autentification system: the key contain info to unlock the system but its the motorcycle itself that will clone your new blank. Hope I’m clear!?
For the wife subaru it cost us 120$ -new blank from amazon with remote and program by someone and key cut.
Sooo ...its simple but a bit pain in the a$$!
Hope I helped!

 

[Sierra1]

**important**
With the xtz1200 anti theft system you need the red key to program a new one. And you need the broken one as well .

As far as I know, the above is true everywhere, but the US. Don't know where Tim is, so.... I also "ass summed" that the key broke while in the saddlebag lock; which is relatively easy to get a key out of.

 

[Chaz]

« Ass summed »

 

[Chaz]

 

[MFP]

By any chance when you bought the S10 was there a little metal tag with the key that has 1 letter and 4 numbers on it?

 

[OldRider]

There should be a code on the ignition switch and there are locksmiths that can cut a new key from that code.

 

[EricV]

This is why filling out your profile helps everyone so much. If he got the bike used with one key, he's almost certainly in the US. No where else in the world would someone accept only one key, especially if it's not the programming key.

So you had a crappy day. Sorry about that, but we all do now and then. Try a wood toothpick or two and see if you can ease the broken part of the key out of the lock. In the future, remember that it's very important to press down on the lid of the box before/while you are turning the key. This takes a lot of stress off the key.

Most hardware stores still grind keys the old school way. Not so much for Home Depot or some of the high end locksmiths. I love the Ace hardware stores I used to live around. Just a bunch of guys that would find a way to solve problems.

If you can get the bag open by chance, it's pretty easy to remove the lock assembly. You'll usually need a T-10 security torx bit to do it. Security torx bits have a hole in the middle to go over the tiny pin sticking out of the screw head. You can buy these at lots of places now, so don't stress about it if you don't have one. Call some auto parts stores and hardware stores until you locate a bit, if you need one. Later, put that bit and a handle for it in your bike tool kit so you know where to find it later or on the road.

If you are in the US, nearly any locksmith or hardware store that cuts auto keys should have a blank for the Yamaha key. Get three made. One for daily use. One for back up that you keep somewhere with your other extra/spare keys, and one to stash in your gear in case you lose the key while out for a ride.

Worst case scenario would be you have the pannier locked to the bike and the lid locked. Better, you can take the entire pannier or the lock to the locksmith and they can fish out the broken piece if you can't get it out.

 

[holligl]

I misplaced my set of bike keys, the yamaha, boxes, mounts, Givi rear box, etc. I though I dropped the in the recycle bin. Then I only had one set. Got a few blanks on line and finally linked up with a good locksmith who could cut and match about anything. Probably cost me $40 altogether. About two months later, I found my originals under my air compressor. I keep one set as a backup at home, one for daily use, and carry a backup set in a zipped jacket pocket.

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[TimCov2012]

The locksmith came out and made me a new set of keys.
Now to answer a few questions:
It's a 2012 I bought a couple of years ago. It came with one key that was not the factory key.
After the locksmith got the key out of the sidecase (good Ass Umption there), he first tried to make the key off of it. It would not work in the gas cap. Next, he took the gas cap apart and used its cylinder to make a key. That key would work in the gas cap and sidecases, but not the ignition. Then he took measurements from the ignition lock and made keys that worked on everything. All-in-all, I am happy about paying the money for the locksmith to come out. If I had been able to pull the other half of the key from the lock, it looks like I still would not have been able to get a good key cut from it. And, then I would still be calling out a locksmith.

 

[TimCov2012]

how much did this cost you?

$150 + tax.

 

[EricV]

Glad you got things sorted. Not cheap, but again, cheaper than I expected for the route things took. Be very thankful it wasn't a chip key. I'm looking at $400 for the dealer to order me a key just to get a second key for my car. And possibly another $150 in programming charges. That's insane, but very common with any European car. Some bikes like Ducati, you can't get a replacement key if you lose all of the keys. You have to buy a new ECU that comes paired with new keys.

 

[Mak10]

Good to hear you got it taken care of. The price sounds really reasonable considering they came out. Service calls are expensive.

I need to go and have a spare made and tape it to the bike. Who makes Yamaha keys beside the dealer?

 

[EricV]

Who makes Yamaha keys beside the dealer?

Here you go: LINK My local ACE hardware in St George had them in stock too. They made me a few keys from my original one for ~$2 apiece.

 

[SkunkWorks]

I ordered these off of ebay.
We have an old-school key-machine at work.
I cut them myself using my OEM key as a template. All of the new keys work in all of the locks.
I now have the 2 OEM keys, and 4 spares............
Yamaha Key Blanks <------- They are available in other colors too (Black, Red)
You just have to wait awhile for shipping.

 

[MFP]

$150 + tax.

Consider that a bargin!
If the same exact key issue you just experienced happened here in the NYC Metro area I shudder to think what it would cost.

 

[Sierra1]

« Ass summed »

I did so because I really do hate the OE box locks, and they are the most likely place to break a key. They feel fragile, and if I don't push down while opening/closing, they FEEL like they will break, or the key will break. Unfortunately, you confirmed my belief. One more thing to watch with the boxes....when you take them off of the bike, don't leave the key in the lock....too easy to hit them on something; bent one, but not broken. At least yours are now fixed. Not cheap, but as Eric advised, better than some other alternatives.

 

[dmulk]

Btw...if no one has mentioned it....if you are a AAA member (along with other roadside insurance) , you likely can get that locksmith fee reimbursed as part of your benefits. Give them (or your other road side assistance a call and ask).

Cheers,
<D>

 

[WJBertrand]

Btw...if no one has mentioned it....if you are a AAA member (along with other roadside insurance) , you likely can get that locksmith fee reimbursed as part of your benefits. Give them (or your other road side assistance a call and ask).

Cheers,

Yup, Dan helped me out with this information when I needed a key for my car. The max reimbursement is $75.


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