Is this political? I don’t know - POLL ADDED

Is it time to:


  • Total voters
    45
Status
Not open for further replies.

MattR

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2019
Messages
1,176
Location
North Hampshire UK
I think the term radicalized is stretching it a bit, unless anyone with a right of center political view is considered to have been “radicalized” (and by implication, also anyone who has a left of center view). Those used to structure, discipline and order are most likely to object to what they perceive as a moral and ethical decay in society where knee-jerk policy is driven by social media and every needy pressure group under the sun, rather than a framework of policy principles.

The ex forces and law enforcement people would take the red pill because they want to expose the truth about the matrix…..!
I would have thought attacking the seat of democracy carrying pipe bombs and a hangman’s noose for Mike Pence can only be described as radicalised. It’s what we see islamists doing in other countries.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Sierra1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2016
Messages
14,974
Location
Joshua TX
Madhatter is right. . . . bad apples are everywhere, in every facet of life. The videos showing the fiasco at the capitol, focus on the idiots climbing the wall. . . . storming the building, and entering the rooms. I've seen one video that starts with the idiots, but pans to the right. There is a huge crowd just milling about, holding flags. . . . not a "rioting". The video quickly pans back to the idiots.

Once again, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm having trouble understanding why this is being called a "deadly riot", while all the burning and killing over the last year is referred as "peaceful protests", and "good trouble". And, why aren't the people that have burned downed buildings, and the ones that took control of Seattle, being hunted down, and prosecuted like the ones from D.C.? "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander."
 
Last edited:

MattR

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2019
Messages
1,176
Location
North Hampshire UK
Of course I have to rely on UK media here but when the BLM protests were covered we mainly saw footage of heavily armed right wing militia opening fire on the protestors. We saw police officers walk up to a 17 year old who was openly carrying a machine gun and have a nice chat just before he opened fire and killed some protesters. How can it be legal to take a machine gun to a protest? How can you claim to be a peaceful protester if you’re holding a machine gun? Does all this link back to US gun laws?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Sierra1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2016
Messages
14,974
Location
Joshua TX
IF the 17 year old your are referring to is the one that I know of. . . . it was not a machine gun. Just because it looks like one doesn't make it so. The trial is still yet to happen, but the guy he killed, also had a gun, and was attacking the kid. Not supporting the kid, shouldn't have been there if common sense had been used, but we'll see (maybe) if he did anything wrong with a trial. I've haven't seen any militia firing on protestors. Not saying it didn't happen, but I doubt the protestors would have been unarmed. The media would have had a field day with that.
 

Mak10

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2018
Messages
2,567
Location
SE Idaho
Many have been taking the propaganda that the media has been feeding them.

Sensational news at best, propaganda at worst. The media is a big part of the problem.

It seems you don’t have anything else to do but sit in front of a screen all day, and enjoy the drama of stirring the pot o shite.
 

MattR

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2019
Messages
1,176
Location
North Hampshire UK
With my limited knowledge of guns, I assume that it fires bullets that can kill and it appeared to have a magazine that presumably held several bullets? What rate of fire it had I have no idea. The important point for me is that he was allowed to confront the protesters with it. It was obvious what would happen


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Boris

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2013
Messages
2,079
Location
midlands. UK
Of course I have to rely on UK media here but when the BLM protests were covered we mainly saw footage of heavily armed right wing militia opening fire on the protestors. We saw police officers walk up to a 17 year old who was openly carrying a machine gun and have a nice chat just before he opened fire and killed some protesters. How can it be legal to take a machine gun to a protest? How can you claim to be a peaceful protester if you’re holding a machine gun? Does all this link back to US gun laws?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
We? That’s not what I mainly saw, although I did see what you mentioned. I saw dozens of news reports over many days showing BLM and Antifa during their protests, burning many many cars and buildings, lots and lots of looting, lots of attacking of innocent passers by, both on foot and in cars, I saw vicious and extensive destructive of property. I also saw reports referring to them as peaceful protests.
 

MattR

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2019
Messages
1,176
Location
North Hampshire UK
Many have been taking the propaganda that the media has been feeding them.

Sensational news at best, propaganda at worst. The media is a big part of the problem.

It seems you don’t have anything else to do but sit in front of a screen all day, and enjoy the drama of stirring the pot o shite.
You are partially right, I’ve been recovering from covid since July last year and have had a lot more time on my hands!! So I’ve been trying to understand what has happened. It seems to me, if we can talk about these things calmly and without emotion we can learn from them. The media is not perfect but I can’t imagine a world without media. Countries where media is controlled by the state are not places I want to live in. Maybe some would like to be served up sanitised state sanctioned news every day but that’s a dangerous path. There is also an obviously a grave mistrust of politicians (both here and in the US) and yet good, brave people are out there standing as candidates. All you have to do is take a little time and effort to find out what they stand for and vote for them. If you feel strongly, why not join their campaign?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Boris

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2013
Messages
2,079
Location
midlands. UK
if we can talk about these things calmly and without emotion we can learn from them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I completely agree, this is where the answer is. The extreme left and extreme right are unlikely to budge, however I believe most people don’t live in those extremes. Shutting down discussion, applying labels and insults far too often lead to breakdowns in meaningful discussion.
 

MattR

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2019
Messages
1,176
Location
North Hampshire UK
But it is the extreme left and right that I do want to learn from. I want to understand what led them to get so angry and feeling so dispossessed. Many times when I have watched the mob interviewed they state that they are fighting for their freedoms. What freedoms are they worried about being taking away?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Boris

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2013
Messages
2,079
Location
midlands. UK
But it is the extreme left and right that I do want to learn from. I want to understand what led them to get so angry and feeling so dispossessed. Many times when I have watched the mob interviewed they state that they are fighting for their freedoms. What freedoms are they worried about being taking away?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I hope somehow, somewhere, that these people on the extremes can put their differences aside and talk, perhaps concede a little bit of ground and move a little closer to the middle. Realistically though, I’m not confident that either would budge.
 

Sierra1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2016
Messages
14,974
Location
Joshua TX
At this point, I don't think many people are going to change their views. One side sees perceived injustices. The other. . . . tired of the perceived never ending bull shit, and has had enough. Both sides think that they're right, and have dug in their heels. Me? I see myself as pretty much in the center, but I'm tired of the bull shit, and unbelievable hypocrisy. I've never violated anybody's civil rights, or treated somebody different because of their skin color. If I don't like you. . . . it's because you're an asshole, or a truly bad person.
 

MattR

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2019
Messages
1,176
Location
North Hampshire UK
Depends on which mob you're talking about/to.
I suppose the left are referring to the freedom not to be killed by police? I haven’t heard them saying anything else?

So it’s the right that I’m interested in. I saw a clip taken inside the capitol of an old guy who was so enraged that he could hardly talk. His eyes were almost popping out and you could tell it wouldn’t take much to push him right over the edge. But no one was describing what freedoms they were worried about losing. We’ve seen something similar in the UK. A lot was made of sovereignty and taking back control of our borders. Within days of us leaving EU the French shut the border and it became obvious that you can only ever control 50% of a border.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

PhilPhilippines

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2020
Messages
952
Location
Philippines
I see:

People that should be arrested at the Capitol
People that should be arrested at the BLM protests
When the camera panned at the Capitol, many, many just protesting peacefully
When the camera panned at the BLM protests, many, many just protesting peacefully
I see media that state the way the Capitol protesters conducted themselves as reprehensible
I see media that state the way the BLM protesters conducted themselves as reprehensible
I see media that state the way the Capitol protesters conducted themselves peacefully
I see media that state the way the Capitol protesters conducted themselves peacefully
I see lies on the media called the truth
I see the truth on the media called lies


All depends where you look.
 

magic

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 6, 2015
Messages
747
Location
WISCONSIN
IF the 17 year old your are referring to is the one that I know of. . . . it was not a machine gun. Just because it looks like one doesn't make it so. The trial is still yet to happen, but the guy he killed, also had a gun, and was attacking the kid. Not supporting the kid, shouldn't have been there if common sense had been used, but we'll see (maybe) if he did anything wrong with a trial. I've haven't seen any militia firing on protestors. Not saying it didn't happen, but I doubt the protestors would have been unarmed. The media would have had a field day with that.
That 17 year old has turned 18 and now travels back to Wisconsin where he was seen at a bar with some of the proud boys. He is from Illinois where the drinking age is 21, Wisconsin is 18.

 

PhilPhilippines

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2020
Messages
952
Location
Philippines
That 17 year old has turned 18 and now travels back to Wisconsin where he was seen at a bar with some of the proud boys. He is from Illinois where the drinking age is 21, Wisconsin is 18.

Seems like a nice, stable, reformed character... :rolleyes:
 

fac191

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2016
Messages
2,845
Location
London
Guys i think this thread has been done to death. Moving on will be best for the Forum which we can all agree we support.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top