Is this political? I don’t know - POLL ADDED
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SilverBullet
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So you state you will not post further but thread continues so you do. Now you want others to follow you and boycott the thread? Why?, that is not how things work. The better solution is don't click and don't read. I think all posting in this thread are still behaving civil.
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Yes but to what end ?. I would rather people dont fall out. I will leave you all to it then. Enjoy.
SilverBullet
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Same here. Probably will just take a couple to break the rules and then mods will have had enough and nuke the thread. I try not to read and post but sometimes get drawn in like a moth to the flame. Tapatalk doesnt let me selectively ignore threads.
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MattR
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No reason for anyone to fall out. No one is trying to change anyone’s opinion. Just trying to understand what led to it in the first place. I do the same with Brexiters here with the question “how will brexit make your life better?”
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If i Brexit thread starts im buying a GS lol
It's hard not to look places where sometimes we know better.
BLM and the Capitol riot do have a lot of similarities in how people behaved and the vast majority of people were indeed standing around and yelling. No problem till a crime is a crime. There were 194 arrested for the BLM protest in DC and 69 arrested for the Capitol riot, so about a third.
The difference between BLM and Capitol is really fundamental and basic. The focus of BLM lawlessness was all about civil rights and law enforcement. The sedition speeches and resulting criminal acts on January 6 were as Chris Christy said, one branch of the Government literally attacking another. They threatened to kill the Vice President and were chanting "Fuck McConnell." One person bragged of coming to shoot Pelosi in the head and he was caught with a stupid amount of ammunition to do it. Those are an insurrection. The police responded to BLM with large numbers of various types of officers and later the Guard. After the Capitol riot started, the Maryland Guard was repeatedly asked by both the DC Mayor's office (DC depends on MD) and Congressional leaders to come but for hours told by the Pentagon to stand by and now it appears permission had to come from the White House.
Further, it increasingly is becoming apparent how much planning went into this, not by Trump himself, but by the crowd who took up his calls to come. (Video "We were invited by the President") BLM never had the organization of building a gallows, reconnaissance walks through the Capitol, bringing body armor, preparing the molotov cocktails and pipe bombs, preemptively tear gassing police in a doorway, wrist-ties for hostages, etc.
As I wrote before, it's in the self-serving interest of politicians being re-elected and news selling advertising time to push the extremes. It's up to US to not give them new material.
Different subject - While the right blames the left for catch and release or early release, it has to do more with cutting taxes than anything else. Keeping people in jail is expensive, but people want tax cuts.
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MattR
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The problem with media is it follows the view point of those that pay for it. In the UK most of our media is owned by right wingers such as Murdoch or the Barclay brothers. Even the BBC which is probably the most unbiased media we have (it’s funded by tax payers) is not immune. Successive governments have installed their own CEOs into the BBC in an attempt to influence it. Now the Conservatives want to get rid of the TV licence fee and make the BBC a commercial enterprise. So once again big business will be able to influence what we see on the news.
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So, are you referring to to the left's claims of "systemic racism" being the root cause of police shootings?
1) A true racist, ie white supremist, hates all "non-whites". "If it ain't white, it ain't right". At least that's how I have always interpreted it.
2) IF. . . . the entire LE system is racist. . . . why is only one race having issues. "Black" makes up 13% of the US population. "Brown" is 17%. So, since the entire LE system is racist, why are the browns not having issues? They make up a larger portion of the population.
3) My brown daughter-in-law says that corruption is so prevalent in Mexico's LE, nobody says boo when the cops show up.
4) I'm not condoning excessive force, or saying that all of the recent incidents are BS. Some cops shouldn't be cops; the good ones want them gone. But, when you're stopped by LE, you must comply. The side of the road is NOT where the legality of the stop is decided. Texas law states that "even if the the arrest is unlawful, you are not allowed to resist". I'm pretty sure a similar law is nationwide, and very likely worldwide.
5) Most police shootings began with non-compliance. I've said before, not all cops are created equal. . . . and it's not a job for everybody.
6) Where is the outrage, protests, marches, riots or whatever. . . . when a cop is executed while sitting in his car, or getting a cup of coffee? None of the police shootings have involved a cop just walking up to a person, and executing them.
7) Most importantly. . . . unless you have ALL of the information. . . . or walked in their shoes. . . . don't tell a cop how he should have done his job.
pooh and xtine
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The vote wasn’t about personal gain, but the presumption that it was goes some way to understanding the result.
I know i know i said i wouldnt post but.....
Regarding how the Police are viewed. In London my city for the last 5 years may be mostly black youths have been running amok shooting and stabbing eachother. Chasing eachother into shopping centres and slaughtering eachother. All this in front of people shopping with their children. I know other people are involved but the majority are black. It got so bad the media stopped reporting their colour because they dont want too make them look bad. Because of their rights the Police are not allowed to disproportionatly stop and search them . And in alot of London they are the majority. So as stop and search went down up went the murders its a no brainer. However when the Police make a mistake or do wrong its BIG news. When BLM kicked of in the States and im not going to get into the rights and wrongs of it but stick to.my city and what i know that community jumped right on it. They had some reason for it i wont argue that. However what dissapoints me is there have been no demonstations from that community about what these youths are doing to eachother. And for me the reason is they can not blame the Police for it and will not take any blame themselves. So if they wont let the Police deal with it and are unwilling to confront it head on themselves who the fuck do they think will sort this mess out ? . And its all about drugs money and percieved territory nothing else. Our Police can not win a war with their hands tied behind their backs and these youths know it and are taking full advantage. I understand social economics play a big part but there are other sections of the community in the same boat and they are not behaving in the same way may be they have fathers at home. I think the USA Police are in a similar situation in many respects. In general i support our Police as should any decent person even if they dont get it right all the time. Tell me a human being who gets it right all the time.
Regarding how the Police are viewed. In London my city for the last 5 years may be mostly black youths have been running amok shooting and stabbing eachother. Chasing eachother into shopping centres and slaughtering eachother. All this in front of people shopping with their children. I know other people are involved but the majority are black. It got so bad the media stopped reporting their colour because they dont want too make them look bad. Because of their rights the Police are not allowed to disproportionatly stop and search them . And in alot of London they are the majority. So as stop and search went down up went the murders its a no brainer. However when the Police make a mistake or do wrong its BIG news. When BLM kicked of in the States and im not going to get into the rights and wrongs of it but stick to.my city and what i know that community jumped right on it. They had some reason for it i wont argue that. However what dissapoints me is there have been no demonstations from that community about what these youths are doing to eachother. And for me the reason is they can not blame the Police for it and will not take any blame themselves. So if they wont let the Police deal with it and are unwilling to confront it head on themselves who the fuck do they think will sort this mess out ? . And its all about drugs money and percieved territory nothing else. Our Police can not win a war with their hands tied behind their backs and these youths know it and are taking full advantage. I understand social economics play a big part but there are other sections of the community in the same boat and they are not behaving in the same way may be they have fathers at home. I think the USA Police are in a similar situation in many respects. In general i support our Police as should any decent person even if they dont get it right all the time. Tell me a human being who gets it right all the time.
MattR
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Same reason as the Guns thread. People are interested. Plus, not a lot of bike riding going on at the moment...
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Not at all like the Gun thread. Guns are a hobby and in themselves just an object. This thread is pure political opinion.
I doubt some here don’t even own a Tenere, let alone a motorcycle.
MattR
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A hobby is by definition an interest. My interest is what is going on around the world and why. Owning a Tenere is not a requirement of this forum.
I’m quite happy to talk about UK situations if anyone is interested. I am a Labour (socialist) candidate for the up coming council elections so I suppose you could call me a low level politician.
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I’m quite happy to talk about UK situations if anyone is interested. I am a Labour (socialist) candidate for the up coming council elections so I suppose you could call me a low level politician.
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Tenman
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Sickening, these people are so far out of touch it’s pathetic. Most if not all of them just want their way and to rub it in.
PhilPhilippines
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The seed for all this started a long while ago. Been watching the the seed gradually grow. This echoes what I think happened to get to where we are today...
I would suggest to watch through to the end.
I would suggest to watch through to the end.
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