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That KTM 300 is doing great!! Even if he does not complete the event it will show how the reliability of that motor. I wonder if he has a top end ready to go. I would be concerned of the piston leasing more than 5,000 miles.
 

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No, they don't have fresh riders to "help out those in need". It's an individual sport. Outside assistance is banned. The big boys and girls are responsible for their own actions.
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bonus locations. They are not manned positions. It's a feature or building that you need to take a photo of or perform some other action, log that in your paperwork and move on to the next one.

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You can't compare a 2 day dirt event with an 11 day street event. They have virtually nothing in common.
 
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...The IBR is no different than any other type of endurance event ...
That is incorrect, to put it mildly.

Having known a couple of competitors from our area, as well as EricV's input here and the competitors on the FJRForum for years, the Iron Butt is a VERY different kind of event.
 
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You are taking my words out of context Bob. The rules are the only difference. Which of course make the event different than other endurance rides. My point is the fatigue and how the organizers are dealing with it. It says nothing in the rules other than the standard disclaimers and disqualifications regarding fatigue. I am actually surprised and find it odd that there is no support or organization by the rally master keeping fresh riders and chase vehicles at the ready across the country to help out in the event of a fatigue issue, catastrophic break down or injury.

BTW it was claimed that this is is an individual sport yet the rules clearly state that there can be teams in the event:
"Entrants who ride together may plan their routes together provided they inform the rallymaster in advance that they are riding as a team for one or more legs of the rally and they actually ride together to each bonus location."

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My point is the fatigue and how the organizers are dealing with it.
The organizers deal with it by recognizing the participants are all adults and treating them as such. Each participant is expected to manage their fatigue. If the participant fails to do so they are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
 

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The organizers deal with it by recognizing the participants are all adults and treating them as such. Each participant is expected to manage their fatigue. If the participant fails to do so they are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
Fatigue it is something watched for at stops. Plus, fatigue is a never-ending subject of discussion due to the focus of the event and the riders are constantly reminded so their sensitivity and education about it is continually elevated. I've never been an IBR competitor but the people I know also talk about how much they were in constant communication with other competitors as EricV mentioned and with whoever is their support.
 
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The organizers deal with it by recognizing the participants are all adults and treating them as such. Each participant is expected to manage their fatigue. If the participant fails to do so they are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
I see it as the IBR organization is running a very loosely conducted event. Every single race, rally, endurance event, and even hard core off/on road charity events I've entered have chase vehicles and some kind of sweep. I get we are responsible for our actions. OTOH it is just smart to have some kind of structured sweep, chase etc. in case of an emergency.

I see now the allure to this event. It's all about high risk and adrenaline rush you get at the end by finishing and having your name plastered to say "look at me". I had that same feeling when I got my Saddle Sore plaque. This is the same exact thing except its times 10+ days with a few added rules and bonus stops

Fatigue it is something watched for at stops. Plus, fatigue is a never-ending subject of discussion due to the focus of the event and the riders are constantly reminded so their sensitivity and education about it is continually elevated. I've never been an IBR competitor but the people I know also talk about how much they were in constant communication with other competitors as EricV mentioned and with whoever is their support.
I think it is very important for members here to know (in case they are considering to enter) that this event is in no way going to have an airlift, manned checkpoints, or any way of recovering you or your bike is something bad happens. You are 100% on your own just like the Saddle Sore 1000.

For me and I'm sure many others we might as well just ride our own 10,000 miles plus and go where you want. You are going to get the same exact accomplishment without the bragging rights. OTOH, if you like to be in the spotlight and have everyone know your accomplishments and accolades then this is the event to be in.

My favorite part of this event is not the riders but the bikes and how they are setup. There are tens of thousands of riders that can do this kind of riding. It's the bikes other than the reliable and comfortable Japanese that interest me. Also the Setup of the bikes. Wendy Crocketts super reliable FJR comes to mind. I purchased the same PDM she has on her machine.

I'm rooting for the Pan America and KTM 300 to finish. I'm hoping the KTM can do it on 2 top ends. It is quit doable as doing the math it will be about 70 -75 hours running time per 5,000 miles. I am still wondering what kind of gearing that bike is running? Eric since you are there, can you take some pictures of the bike and give us some specs?
 

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Or you could get involved, start your own event, volunteer,…. Nah, it’s easier to be an armchair quarterback.

I have no interest in doing an event like this, for those who enjoy this sort of thing, I think it’s great.

And what is the purpose of any event? To get people to look at you and admire the skills and fortitude to win. People like to compete.

Nothing wrong with that.

What I see is someone who wants to derail this thread and make it about them.
 
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That is an incentive for sure!! That would be my angle if I was to enter the rally. One of the many challenges would be setting your watch or have a few marked with each time zone so you could easily gather points. I'm sure a lot of riders treat this event like betting on a crap table. It's all a roll of the dice to collect the most points.
 

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Almost everything in life is a challenge.

For some of us, we like to see what limits we can push our mind and our bodies. Competing against others gives us a standard to compare ourselves. I don't consider myself competitive, but I have joined many events where I am stacked against others. Mainly I use this as a competition against myself.
Sometimes we like to share our accomplishments.
Some people like to post a lot on here as their accomplishments.
Have fun and ride safe....can't go wrong with that combination.

P.S. I think the statistics of the IBR speak for themselves.....I bet the miles ridden vs the accidents are astronomically lower than the general motorcycle community.
 

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Apparently shortly after my last post saying there were no updates so far today they posted about the bonus possibilities for leg 1 , some very interesting reading !
If the rider isn’t VERY alert it’s pretty clear they wouldn’t be able to score many points.
 

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I wouldn't think that your average IBR rider is a beginner. I'm not a beginner, but I'm not gonna be an IBR participant. I've done 1k mi/day in a car, but I haven't strung 11 of them together. I can't imagine the toll it takes on the body/mind. More power to them.
 

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That is an incentive for sure!! That would be my angle if I was to enter the rally. One of the many challenges would be setting your watch or have a few marked with each time zone so you could easily gather points. I'm sure a lot of riders treat this event like betting on a crap table. It's all a roll of the dice to collect the most points.
You can't simply just enter this event. You can register and try, but not all that register are selected for entrance. The event is more about figuring out a puzzle than just riding tons of miles. Miles are required to accomplish the event, but I haven't ever heard of the person that puts the most miles in winning the event.

I don't see any way possible that any event of this type could "run sweep". The riders scatter to the four winds from every checkpoint. The costs involved would be prohibitively high. I do believe the riders are required to get emergency/life flight type of insurance for the event.

The leg 1 bonus listing is out, so you can run part of the puzzle (there are bonuses that are good for the entire rally too) for yourself to see how you might do.
 
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You can't simply just enter this event. You can register and try, but not all that register are selected for entrance. The event is more about figuring out a puzzle than just riding tons of miles. Miles are required to accomplish the event, but I haven't ever heard of the person that puts the most miles in winning the event.
I get you have to be picked. It's been that way for years. I have been following this rally since right when I got out of the Navy. I think it was 1984 or so. Social media, GPS, and motorcycle technology has made this event grow into the size it is today. And also why the rules and "puzzles" are so complicated. Like most endurance events this one is designed so you don't complete with enough points to finish.

The participants have to peel off serious miles (1000+ per day) in order to complete the event. I would not consider this kind of ride. Just not my bag to beat up my health and bike.
 

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Wait a minute. . . . this isn't open to anybody? You have to be part of the club? WTF? I'll never be interested in it, but, if I was . . . . you're telling me that they may not let me play?
 
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