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Ok, a few more details about my conversations and observations at the Indy Dealer Show.

First off, the Yamaha display. As I mentioned, the Super Tenere had a place of honor right in front of their display. The Yamaha rep that I talked to mentioned that even with Jorge Lorenzo's Moto GP bike, Jonah Street's Dakar bike, Josh Hayes, AMA championship winning R1, and Jeffery Carver's winning flat track bike, plus many of their production bikes on display, the Super Tenere was garnering the vast majority of interest.

The bike had the same extras that we had seen on the display bike when it was at our dealership last month, with the addition of the larger windscreen and the Yamaha tank bag. We have not heard much in favor of the larger screen from our fellow S10 riders in the rest of the world, so I am not interested in that. As far as tank bags, I had used a Wolfman Explorer Lite on my KLR, liked it a lot, and had considered using it on my S10. In looking at the Yamaha bag, however, I like the simple way that it fastens front and back and I understand that it has a few small magnets along the bottom sides to help keep it in place. I have decided that I will sell the Wolfman and get the Yamaha bag.

I know that some have liked the idea of the Bags Connection bag that mounts on a horseshoe shaped ring that is bolted to the gas cap fixture. The advantage of this is that the bag is above the tank for the most part, and so helps prevent scratches to the paint. My solution to this over the years with many tanks is to go to my local Wal Mart and then go to the kitchen department. They sell rolls of a rubberized open pattern material that is designed to line drawers. You can find the same stuff at auto parts stores where it is sold as cushioned liner material for the bottoms of tool cabinets. You will pay more for it at the auto parts store than you will at the kitchen department at Wally World. In any case, for just a few dollars, you will get a lifetime supply sized roll of this stuff. Then I set the bag on top of it and cut out a piece in the same shape as the bottom of the bag. You then have a nice, non slip pad that you place on top of the tank, then set the bag on it. It helps the bag stay in place and prevents scratches.

My concerns with the Bags Connection type of scratch prevention is that the vast majority of the time, I do not have a tank bag on my bike, using them only for trips. At those times, you would have this U shaped weapon still bolted to the top of the tank, unless you take the time to unbolt it and then rebolt it the next time you want to install your bag. I don't care for any of that, so will use a standard bag with my non slip cushioned pad.

EDIT: Perhaps "weapon" is too strong a word in describing the U shaped fixture. However, it would bother me, being there when I didn't have the bag in place, but that's just me.

Also, Coretech now offers a series of bags caled DRYVER that uses the same type of fixture. The tank bags come in 3.8 or 9.5 L size and are claimed to be waterproof.
 

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Next I stopped by the Altrider booth and talked to Jeremy about their S10 products. All looked to be top quality and the crash bars were rather impressive, if a bit imposing looking, being bolted together in one piece. I am sure that they will protect the bike very well and may well be the choice of those that intend to use their bikes in more difficult off road situations. He also showed me their prototype skid plate, explaining that they were making a few changes, as mentioned by him on this forum, in the interest of saving a bit of weight. As is, the plate and hardware did, indeed feel a bit heavy.
 

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I stopped by the Twisted Throttle display and talked to Brian. I was mostly interested in the Trax bags and SW Motech racks, plus the SW Motech bars. The SW products they had the Trax bags set up on their "KLR 650 GS" display bike and didn't have the S10 bars. The bags look good and Brian pointed out a few small differences in the next generation of these bags. They had the latest ones on the KLR and one of the earlier ones nearby. He assured me that he had run the earlier models for two years with no problems and the newer ones were just slight modifications. We also looked at some of their items that were installed on a GS1200, including the previously mentioned Bags Connection bag and also their wider foot pegs. One feature of this particular Bags conection bag is that it had the electrical hookup option, so that you just wired power to the U shaped fixture and it has a quick connect pin that made connection to the wiring inside of the bag, where you could have hookups for electrical accessories.
 

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fredz43 said:
I was able to get Press credentials after sending them a copy of the magazine. Actually the Press credentials were the best, as many vendors gave out samples of their wares for me to evaluate and review in the magazine. With the Dealer credentials, they are very willing to discuss their products in the hopes that you will carry them in your shop, but no samples in my experience.
Hmmmm, does ownership of a forum qualify me for press creds? 8)
 

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Stopping by the Givi display area, I was mostly interested in looking at the Trekker bags. I had liked what I saw in pics, but had not seen them in person. One of the Givi reps took the time to show me the features, including the trick way that you can set them up to either open the whole side, or just open the top portion. There are two internal latches that either latch the two sections together, or if left unlatched, lets you open the top portion only. In demonstrating this seveal times, he did have trouble latching and unlatching one of the two internal latches. This may just be a problem with a new piece of equipment and may wear in after a while, but it was a bit difficult with this particular bag. Overall, I thought that these were quality bags, but I decided that if I went with the Trekkers, I would go with two of the 33L bags, as the 46 that they had installed as a top box looked huge and I wouldn't care for that big of a side bag. Again, that is just my personal taste.

They also showed me an interesting design that they have for adjustable windscreen, called Airflow. They have a model for the S10, but didn't have one there. It is a two piece arrangement, with a stationary bottom portion and a top portion that slides up and down. There are two thumb screws on the back that are loosened to allow repositioning of the top portion. An inteesting concept.
 

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I just remembered an interesting comment from the Yamaha rep concerning the headlight guard. We have read good reviews on this product from owners, but it turns out that they will not be offering it here. It is shown in some of their literature here, including the pamphlet showing option packages. However, Yamaha USA decided that they may have a problem with DOT and so will not be offering it here. Looks like you will have to import one if you want it.
 

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Not far from the Twisted Throttle and Givi displays I found the Adventure Moto Stuff area. Immediately my attention was drawn to the GS1200 they had outfitted with a model of Hepco and Becker bags, called Xplorers. I had not heard of these and so these were a completely new consideration for me as far as hard luggage. What immediately impressed me was the quality of the hardware, such as the locks and latches, the quality looking sealing of the lids, and the overall impression of the interior. Everything looked very good, the locks worked smoothly and the latches were smoth and positive in their operation. In talking with Chad Olson, the Amotostuff.com owner, he mentioned that the owner of Hepco and Becker had a S10 and was really inpressed with it and so had been busy developing many items for it. You can go to the amotostuff.com website and download the H&B catalog to see what they presently offer.

Back to the Xplorers, they have now become my leading candidate for hard luggage. The H&B racks look good and have 1/4 turn fasteners for quick removal. The ones on the GS1200 are asymetrical, so would take a larger bag on the non exhaust side. It is my understanding that the S10 design is the same, but I will confirm this. These bags are a bit more expensive than with the Trax or Trekkers, but to my eyes, I can see why. They are offered in 30L and 40L sizes, neither of which is used for a top box, as there is a different bag for that. Their literature shows a full face helmet in the 40L, by the way.

H&B also offers other bags, including the Gobi bags that were on display there. These are some rather heavy duty looking bags that have one interesting feature for the serious adventure rider. The thick looking walls of these bags will actually hold water. You can fill the insides of the outer shell with water and in fact, one option I saw in their catalog is a small spigot that is fitted near the bottom so you can draw off drinking water. Great for your next desert expedition!

Amotostuf.com offers many items for the adventure touring rider. I mentioned to Chad that my DL650 riding son has some of their products and he had told me that the Stromtroopers forum members get a 5% discount when ordering thru them. Chad said that he was sure that he could offer this same discount to our forum members and asked me to email him when he gets back Monday to discuss details. They also offer free shippng on orders over $500.

The first pic is the Xplorers, which are also offered in black. The second pic is the Gobi's.
 

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A bit about riding gear that I checked out. It seems that there are more adventure touring items than I have seen in the past. Perhaps I am norticing them because I have ordered a new adventure touring bike, but I was told by several sales people that that market is growing. I was particularly interested in a new jacket. One of my present jackets is a 3/4 mesh type that has a pouch in the back for a water bladder. I have found this to be useful, not only on adventure touring type of rides, but also on longer highway rides, where a sip of water every now and then helps fight fatigue. I found a few with this feature, including the Olympia X Moto and the new Akito Desert jackets. However, these two jackets have removeable liners to provide water protection. I prefer jackets with the waterproof barrier as part of the shell, so I don't have to decide when to pull over, unpack the liner, zip it in, etc. I much prefer designs like my Tourmaster Transition 2, where all I have to do is zip up the vents if it starts rainng and go on my way. It looks like the Firstgear Kathmandu jacket has the features I am looking for, being waterproof, having a 1.5 L hydration bladder, CE approved armor, good ventilation with chest, armpit and back zippered vents. Retail is $319.95 and matching pants that can be zippered to the jacket are $199.95. Since I just bought a new pair of Aerostich Darien AD1 pants, I will stick with them, but may well go with this jacket.
 

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One more item and then I am done. In looking at the Sidi boot display, I did not realize that there are two models of their waterproof Adventure boot. The Adventure Rain retails for $375, while the Adventure Gore-Tex retails for $625. Is the Gore-Tex liner that much better than Sidi's other waterproof membrane? I don't know. I have been wearing my BMW Gore-Tex boots for over 10 years and they have kept my feet warm and dry, but I have no experience with other waterproof technologies.
 

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Fred,

Thanks for the details on the new swag. As I understand it, the non-GoreTex boots are listed as water reistant not water proof. I went with the Sidi On The Roads GoreTex boots as I did not want to spend that much dosh. I do like the added protection the Adventures offer.
 

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One more item and then I am done. In looking at the Sidi boot display, I did not realize that there are two models of their waterproof Adventure boot. The Adventure Rain retails for $375, while the Adventure Gore-Tex retails for $625. Is the Gore-Tex liner that much better than Sidi's other waterproof membrane? I don't know. I have been wearing my BMW Gore-Tex boots for over 10 years and they have kept my feet warm and dry, but I have no experience with other waterproof technologies.
There is no way that using a Gore-Tex membrane instead of another manufacturer's should add $250 to the price of any boot. I have hunting boots (good ones - Danner, etc) that have full Gore-Tex membrane, are made in the USA, and retail at around $300. I think Sidi is just premium pricing here, but honestly I don't see how Gore-Tex can command that sort of premium? The Canyon Gore-Tex boots right below them were $325. Not making sense, IMO.
 

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fredz43 said:
Amotostuf.com offers many items for the adventure touring rider. I mentioned to Chad that my DL650 riding son has some of their products and he had told me that the Stromtroopers forum members get a 5% discount when ordering thru them. Chad said that he was sure that he could offer this same discount to our forum members and asked me to email him when he gets back Monday to discuss details. They also offer free shippng on orders over $500.
AdventureMotostuff (Chad and Judi) also offer this discount to members of ADVrider. This is in addition to the 10% discount they offer on Givi items - for a total of 15%. This is how I ordered my Trekkers.

As for the latches on the Trekkers you mentioned earlier. Mine were a little "stiff" as well the first couple times I tried them. I expect them to be easier to use as I get more used to them and as the lid gaskets "seat".
 

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I just got the Kathmandu jacket and pants you took a photo of, though I got the grey pants to go with the sand color jacket. They are both very well made but the pants legs do tend to run a little on the baggy side. I wouldn't expect the legs to be form fitting unless you have the legs of a linebacker. Also, the CE armor over the knees are a little too low and only cover the knee when you're in the riding position. The bladder and rain hood are two of the things that made me go for this jacket and the fact that the pants can be zipped into the jacket. I wonder if it would be possible to freeze the water in the bladder and have a cold drink all day and a little cooling for your back?
 

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Thanks for the feedback on the Kathmandu, Ollie. As I mentioned, I may go with this jacket in combo with my Darien pants, which I am very satisfied with, BTW.
 

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Fred, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful analysis of all the options. Did you find any new suppliers for tank or bodywork protection?
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Willb said:
Fred, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful analysis of all the options. Did you find any new suppliers for tank or bodywork protection?
All the best
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Hi Will, I will be offering a paint protection kit for it once I get the bike. I will keep you posted on it.
 
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