>>HEAD COUNT<< No idle/stall and high idle dilemma..

[Xvstrom650]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

So another update. After gathering a bunch of posts from this forum, and the issues I've been having with the wiring harness, the dealership I use (Asselstine Country here in central Ontario) contacted the local Yamaha rep. The rep wanted a video of the rpm's changing as I manipulated the wiring harness. It took a few weeks to get 3 videos and after reviewing them, Yamaha Canada is paying for a new main harness and the installation. To me this is a great relief. The wiring harness costs $1200.00 CND plus another 4+ hours of labour to install. The total bill would have been at least $1700.00 CND. I can't afford that kind of a repair bill right now so It's great to see Yamaha stepping up. This has greatly increase my willingness to buy another Yamaha in the future. The wring harness is on order and should be here in a week or two. I'll post another update after it's been installed and I have a few miles on it to see how things are working. Stay tuned.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

So you did mention you are not the only Gen 1 owner with this issue?

 

[Xvstrom650]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Yes I did. I have 6 pages of posts from this forum to back up my claim of a serious issue with the wiring harness. Once the rep saw the videos, I think the decision was easy for him.

 

[911guy]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

see my post at http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2895.120. The new wiring harness did the trick.

 

[Temeku]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

2013 Yamaha Super Tenere. Engine/Idle speed varies and/or engine dies. Sometimes it speeds up (to as much as 4000 rpm) without any rider/throttle input (dangerous) and if the clutch is activated simultaneously it won't idle or increase in rpm but rather the engine dies. Also difficulty starting. Seems to happen more often in cooler temperatures vs warm. Turning off the ignition then turning it back on sometimes temporally seems to reset things (may take several attempts). It will run at cruise speeds but once speed is reduced the problems occur. A fault code of 60 once came up on the display.

The rider must be prepared for uncontrolled increases or decreases in throttle. In March of 2016 I contacted yamaha directly and they suggested I take it to dealer. Took it to dealer and they had it 2 weeks and was advised they could not duplicate the problem. But it is intermittent and generally unpredictable except for a substantial increase in symptoms when the ambient air temperatures drop below 70 degrees F and especially below 60. It was also April and temps were warming.

I bought the bike new and this first occurred in June of 2015 at 3050 miles (in the cooler coastal temps) and has continued off and on through the present mileage of 35,000. It occurred consistently on a recent trip north to Alaska (once cool temps were encountered along the Oregon Coast) pretty much all the way up to Alaska. Once I encountered warmer temps on the return trip South the symptoms went away for the final 2000 miles of a 9000 trip. Overall I experience this for about 5000 of the 9000 miles). Since I generally ride in warmer temperatures (summer) it has not occurred consistently. But on this recent trip it happened every day for close to three weeks and required extreme caution and was quite challenging to control and stressful/uncertain if it would start or continue running. Quite frankly it took a lot of experience to manage the thing especially on the Alaska, Dalton, Denali and many other highways up north. Once it resumed normalcy in warm temps it was, once again, a joy to ride.

All I can say is this whole experience has been a real disappointment. Buying a new and alleged "bullet proof" Yamaha was part of the reason for my choice over other brands (at the time). Now I can't in good conscious sell it so I hope the many suggestions on this forum will assist in finding a successful solution. This bike has been the most ergonomically comfortable ride of the many bikes I've had over the years and it does work most of the time. It only seems right that Yamaha should step up and recall these things. Also, I did file a complaint with the NHTSA Complaint Number: 11015960. So I will now attempt some of the checks of the connectors suggested on the forum.

 

[firstgendsm]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

I have a 2012 (Purchased in 2014) with 51k on it and I have only had high idle and no start issues a couple of times my biggest complaint is the low idle happens almost daily coupled with hesitation on acceleration and I have tried everything even purchased a Morgan Carbtune Pro synced my TB's, adjusted my Co multiple times done all my routine maint. I have been trying all this since 12k miles at which point the bike had a really hard time idling and accelerating from a stop. All of this has made the bike "better" but not even close to eliminating the problems. Don't get me wrong the bike is solid but this is getting very frustrating, in 2-3 years I will be over 100k and probably looking at another brand.

 

[Ramseybella]

Going for a head count.. ::024::
Curious to know how many have or had this issue with the generation one Tenere, even if you don't own it anymore please..
Even the Generation two if any.

 

[ov1]

Friends Gen 1

 

[OldRider]

Never had a problem.

 

[Nikolajsen]

GenII 2017 EURO4 adapted...no problem so far

 

[Sierra1]

'17 (Gen II), sometimes idle is 1600ish rpms. More on cool mornings, so I assumed the "choke" was still on. Goes away after awhile. Is this the high idle that y'all speak of?

 

[RonH]

I believe the ones with the high idle were talking about 3000RPM. Reading through the main threads over the years it appears to me to be very rare issue as only a very few have had the problem and continue to fight with it. A few including me had the weak battery that will cause the high idle though.

 

[Cycledude]

Thankfully I am a generation one owner that has never experienced the high idle issue.

 

[Sierra1]

I believe the ones with the high idle were talking about 3000RPM. Reading through the main threads over the years it appears to me to be very rare issue as only a very few have had the problem and continue to fight with it. A few including me had the weak battery that will cause the high idle though.

Ok. Not me. Thanks. ::001::

 

[Checkswrecks]

Two identical threads merged here.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

2014 ES, 6,000 miles, never had a problem with stalling or high idle. Bike runs like a champ

You don't count then..

 

[Ramseybella]

So after almost a month no problem.. We had a big storm front come in snowed on the mountains and I assume the pressure was extremely low air temp around mid 40's 50's.
Not even out of the garage not even touched the driveway and it jumped up to 3k recycled the key a couple times dropped below 1k turned it off.
Restarted and was fine halfway down the street it jumps to 2k turn it off a couple times and normal, drive a block stalls but I caught it feathered the throttle to get to the store.
Let it sit for about 45 minutes started and still wanted to die. made it down the street then it was normal all the way home.
Went inside the house to drop off the groceries got back on and no problem.. Drove about 30 miles round trip from Wally World (T6) and in the rain no problem.
WTF???? I read a couple of you riders thought it was happening in the rain or cold damp, it was cold around 45 .I am now thinking it's a Barometric pressure thing and temperature as this happened in the same sort of weather a couple times before. Still running on the 86 Octane and it's been running great until today..

 

[Anwar Namtut]

I'll chime in - 2013 with around 27,000 miles. Started doing this not more than 2 months ago. High idle only. I have sort of "controlled" it by lugging the engine coming to a stop sign or stop light. If I have to stop at a stop light (extended stop), it seems to go away on its own with the clutch lever pulled in after a few seconds. I am sure it is the original battery, so I will start with that.

 

[Heresjeff]

Re: &gt;&gt;HEAD COUNT&lt;&lt; No idle/stall and high idle dilemma..

I have a 2017 non es, turned 2000 miles today. I have experience the high idle once. Killed engine and restarted and no change, I have to turn the key off them back on, but that was after a 20 mile ride home from work.

I also had a hard start yesterday. It was 50 degrees. Had to twist the throttle to get it started. This morning I pulled the clutch in and it fired right up. In all instances the bike was in neutral.


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[Ramseybella]

Re: &gt;&gt;HEAD COUNT&lt;&lt; No idle/stall and high idle dilemma..

I have a 2017 non es, turned 2000 miles today. I have experience the high idle once. Killed engine and restarted and no change, I have to turn the key off them back on, but that was after a 20 mile ride home from work.

I also had a hard start yesterday. It was 50 degrees. Had to twist the throttle to get it started. This morning I pulled the clutch in and it fired right up. In all instances the bike was in neutral.


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That's a first that i know, and the Ten will be out on the floors next year as well.. WTF are these people thinking? Other than making money.
I called Yamaha U.S.A. again the other day, and rehashed what was going on. I asked if they had record of our last conversation and I get a no.. I asked do you people care?
I get a yes but we at this time have no records of other such issues as you are describing. :'( I replied, if you kept records of your phone and email conversations maybe you would.. ::010:: ::002::