>>HEAD COUNT<< No idle/stall and high idle dilemma..

[radbrad511]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

I know it sounds too simple but, before you go to the dealer, get a new BATTERY! Yuasa yt14s fixed my bike!! ::022::

 

[OldRider]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

This sounds to me like when the battery is marginal and having a hard time starting the bike and that the drop in voltage screws up all the sensors and they can't get it right from that point on. Warming the bike up and turning it off resets everything and since it's warm it restarts easily and the sensors are back to OK. All this is just speculation on my part, but there are several post where someone had a very bad running S10 and a new battery fixed all the problems, so something is going on.

One other thing to do is check the battery cables and make sure to check the other end away from the battery too.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Thanks Dogdaze. Im not getting hard start...just high idle. I will check out your advice about T&S mode though (will have a look next Wednesday....bike is in full on commuting mode until then...hopefully!!)

Let us know as mine was doing the same with T to S, had to turn off and on a couple time to calm her down then it was good.
Nothing has happened since, Knock on my head I mean Wood!! ::020::
Truly is a PITA but I have bigger fish to fry (CLUTCH)..

 

[dennislw76]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

I tried almost all of the posted fixes that have been discussed on this subject. I was about to give up on my ST.

The last time I was reassembling it and testing it. It started with no issues but when it had run for about 4 minutes it stated the high idle thing. I was so disappointed. I turned the engine off and restarted it after a while. I was looking at the wiring on the right side near the ECU as it ran. I then pushed on the harness with my finger and the engine died. Hmmmmmmmm I restarted it and pushed on the harness again. It died.

So I noticed all of the wiring loom was really stretched. I disconnected all of the connectors and inspected them. I then reconnected and rerouted all of the branches. Now all of the connectors are not being stressed. Took the bike out and now I remember why I love riding it so much. Just have a few hundred miles since the work was done but I am very hopeful it is fixed. I will update every few hundred mile or so. http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/Smileys/DarkB/smiley022.gif

 

[2daMax]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

My idles are OK but twice had the engine died. Both times were when it was 1k km old. I sync the TBs and it made the throttle to clutch balance more unforgiving when moving off from a standstill. It died once at the lights causing me to eventually dropping the bike when I attempted to push the bike out of traffics way while the bike was in gear.

Read about the 3/4 air screw offset adjustment n did the TB sync again. Long story short isn that never leave the reference air screw fully closed in. I turned my 1/2 out n balance the other air screw. Never had any idling issues or engine dead while pulling in the clutch. Also very forgiving on the throttle to clutch balance when moving off from stationary.

Haven't seen it mentioned here but the right side TB rubber plug can leak in air if it is cracked n cause high idle issues.

 

[terrysig]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

My 2012 had both issues starting at about 40k intermtent but mostly in sub 40F riding and more typically closer to freezing. Probably 10 times total. Must have been one of the earlier occurances because there wasnt much on the forum then. A few times of high rev i just rode with load on the throttle. Later i just pulled of and turned off key waited and restared. Low idle it just died at stop lights or signs. Always re-fired.

Dealer said bad throttle position sensor but it was never enough of an issue to take it in.

My leftove 2013 that i bought a year ago now has 10k and has not shown the behavior...yet.

 

[Xvstrom650]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Adding one more to the count. Mine is a 2012 with ~34K miles (54K km). Bought it used July 2015 with ~19K miles on the clock. Started the low idle and stalling/high idle (3000rpm to 5500rpm) bit 2 days after buying it. Have also had the unable to switch between Tour and Sport mode thing. Most of the time cycling the key fixes it but lately this has been hit or miss. The other day I had to cycle it 7 or 8 times before it settled down. Something new this spring is the bike goes straight to red line on start up. This has happened 3 times thus far. The first time caught me by surprise and it took me a couple of seconds to hit the kill switch. Since then, I have my left thumb covering the kill switch when starting the bike. This has saved the very high revs at start up twice. My local dealer is trying to help but hasn't been able to sort it out. Had the TPS changed late last summer along with valve check, TB sync, new plugs etc. They also checked and treated all the connectors with dielectric grease. Bike had a new battery installed when I bought the bike so I don't think low battery voltage is the issue. What I do know is the situation is getting worse with time. About 75% of my early morning commutes to work have resulted in a high idle or low idle and stall situation at least once during my 10 mile commute. Funny thing is this ratio reverses in the afternoon on my commute home. And yes the bike is stored in a dry garage overnight. To me this is a huge safety concern and if not sorted soon, bike will gone. Very disappointing as I do like the bike when it's behaving.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

My Tenere starts acting up usually when I tell someone about the issue and spout it hasn't happened in a few weeks!! :'(
I don't get it and Yamaha isn't going to worry about finding the source on 17 to 14 year old ponies, nor do they appear to care. ::024::

 

[mileageman]

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I posted a story quite a while ago about my no start, high idle, throttle locking and engine dying. I suggested separating the wires in front of the throttle bodies. Well that worked for a while but the symptoms came back. The dealer replaced the throttle bodies and that worked for a while. I replaced the crank sensor and the ECU with no luck. The bottom line is nothing worked so I did not post any updates. My extended warranty ran out so my frustration level was maxed out. I contacted my regional Yamaha representative and made an appointment to have him look over the bike. Of course the bike did not act up while he was there. I gave him a 3 page history of my problems with dates, mileage and items that had been replaced. He contacted the U.S. rep. The regional rep ordered a new wiring harness and had the dealer install it with no cost to me. Very generous considering my warranty was expired and I am reasonably confident that my 3 page history helped a bunch. I have only had the bike back for a couple of days so I have only been able to put 200 miles on it. It runs quite a bit differently in a good way. I am not saying it is fixed until many more miles. The story the rep related to me is Yamaha had experienced a few Tenere's with these symptoms and replaced the wiring harness which seemed to fix the problems. The harnesses were sent to Japan for inspection and their engineers cannot seem to find anything wrong with them. My harness is on its way to Japan. I will post some results in the future as I get some more miles on the bike. I give Yamaha a pat on the back for at least trying to take care of me. Time will tell.

 

[blitz11]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Thanks for the update. At the very least, someone is listening. The best outcome is that the problem doesn't happen to you ever again.

Connectors and wiring seem mundane, and they are, until they fail for no reason. i had a wire fail INSIDE the insulation once on an old airhead. the wire fatigued, but the insulation did not. It was very intermittent as the insulation would generally keep the conductors in contact enough to keep the bike running. It took weeks to find this problem. Once identified, i changed how the harness was zip-tied so that the wires wouldn't move the say way.

That being said, unless you're looking for a wire broken inside the insulation, it's a tough nut to crack.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Can't blame the Ghost or Sir Lucas on this one.. ::024::
This seems to be an issue with the Gen1 Tens or is it throughout all models?
I don't understand it and my 2012 has the same problem intermittently with the usual Eff-Me response..
The weirdest was the 3k high idle when just riding along with my had off the throttle, pull in the clutch and it dropped to normal idle.
let go and it raced back up again. In short I could take my had off the throttle and just cruse along. This was last month and hasn't happened since.
last week it was wouldn't start at the drive up bank window, pushed it to the side tried it twice like the battery wasn't pushing enough amps.Let it sit for another 30 seconds fired right up with WOT! An hour later high then stall but after a few stops shopping it stopped. Something is up with wiring and some suspect heat or moisture related in combination?
With all that after my last tune up it was perfect for weeks. Then out of the blue I will just call it the Ghost of Genichi Kawakami appears.
So during that time of service the tank was removed coils popped out and plugs changed along with valve check after removing the throttle bodies, throttle bodies inspected and tuned. All this is messing around the wire pile and throttle bodies. I may try pulling the power off the battery for a few days and drain the system and see what happens. I doubt anything but why not try. :

 

[jaeger22]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

There is a video on youtube talking about this and a fix. He thinks it is caused by interference from the stater wires. I can't say for sure but it seems to make sense. I haven't had this issue for a long time but if I do I am going to experiment with moving the wires while it is running to see if it effects the problem.
Check it out here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTlhEyi6IK8&t=385s

What do you guys think?

 

[Xvstrom650]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

A bit of an update. After reading as many posts as I could stomach about our random idle issue, today I took off the right side covers and started poking around. Wouldn't you know it, as soon as I move the large bundle of wires just above the battery the bike died and gave error code 60. No hot wires were found as others have noted. I disconnected the battery and started to free up as much of the wiring and connectors as I could. Checked all the fuses (all good). Found a bunch of sand and dirt in a few connectors so used compressed air to blow them out. Plugged every thing back together but left everything kind of hanging out so that I could start wiggling wires and plugs etc. Reconnected the battery and still had error code 60. Bike wouldn't start. Turned over fine but no fire. Cycled the key off and on 4 times or so and the error code cleared. Bike started up and the fun began. By manipulating that large bundle of wires I could cause the bike to die, idle normal or rev to about 5,000 rpm. Seemed to be more sensitive as I moved left following the bundle back toward where it tucks under the tank and along the frame. I was really pulling on that bundle of wires, bending it, twisting it. Figured if there is a bad wire in there I'm going to make sure it's broken. Wouldn't you know it, after a minute or two of this the rpms settled down to normal and I could no longer cause the rpms to change. Started and stop the bike several times and it ran as it should. Put everything back together and went for an hour long ride thrashing the bike through the roughest roads and two track I could find close to home. Bike ran perfect. Didn't miss a beat. I have no delusion that the bike is "fixed" but now I'm sure it's a wiring harness issue and not a sensor or vacuum issue. I've read a few posts now that replacing the wiring harness solved the problem. This should be a recall. Yamaha are you listening????

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

How does one start a petition to Yam with our issue?? ::024::
I as others see this as gone past the point of an annoying nuisance, it's not right and simply down right dangerous at some point.
One it could eventually cause the motor to blow a seal or grenade, for sure blasting it to 3k when cold can't be good.
Two one could get killed if it stalls while turning onto a highway or at a light with some idiot texting behind you for the great rear end hit.
I love my bike as do others but enough is enough!! It certainly won't help the great bikes future sales, it's barely in the top 10 already.
My warranty is out this year if not already at 60k. I am serious as we all should, my guess it if we send a loud enough burst to Yamaha they may take it seriously before someone gets seriously injured or killed.
Let it sink in and lets help each other out as it's not our fault it's Yamaha's..
Pete

 

[Checkswrecks]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Yamaha has moved on and I was personally told that they don't hear much from the Gen1 owners. As far as they are aware, people have learned to do whatever was needed to keep their bikes are running. This is a model that they haven't built for 4+ years and most are not even owned by the original Yamaha purchaser.

My strong suggestion for this or any other real issue is to file a complaint with NHTSA. It really is quick and easy, and every manufacturer watches the NHTSA complaints (a) because they are required to and (b) because these complaints are what initiate recalls.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

 

[blitz11]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

I second the NHTSA approach. I was thinking the same thing as I scrolled down the page, and Wa-la! Checkswrecks beat me to it. I haven't had the problem, so i can't complain, but enough complaints will force yamaha to respond.

My wife bought a harley street 500, and people were having problems with the fuel pick up. (Weird design - don't ask. Ok. ask. The fuel pick up is in the FRONT of the bike. lowest spot on the gas tank is in the front.) On acceleration, with a low fuel level, the bike would die because the fuel went away from the pickup. then, as the fuel sloshed back to the fuel pickup, it would accelerate hard. The forum started a NHTSA campaign, and within months, H-D recalled that bike for a fuel pump recall.

You have power to make changes. If you've had a problem, I'd contact NHTSA. Xvstrom650 and Yamaha know the harness is the issue. Recall should be straightforward.

This is a good thread.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Done deal!!
I strongly urge any owner that has or even ones who have had this issue on bikes now owned or sold, you need the VIN number available.
I love this bike and feel it is a safety concern as far as the dead stall. I can't afford another Tenere and feel I shouldn't have to buy another motorcycle to correct an issue Yamaha should be more concerned about. And not give out free wiring harness replacements intermittently under the radar and not just call it what it is. A total safety recall!!
I know many have moved on but this still does not make the wrong right. At the least voice your opinion for future issues as well as the new owners of the used models that posses this issue.
I am going ahead and start a thread with the link so all affected and concerned can file a complaint.
If it go's sticky it may fall into the forgotten sticky black hole and will not be noticed as much as it seriously should be. Just saying.
Pete

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Yamaha has moved on and I was personally told that they don't hear much from the Gen1 owners. As far as they are aware, people have learned to do whatever was needed to keep their bikes are running. This is a model that they haven't built for 4+ years and most are not even owned by the original Yamaha purchaser.

My strong suggestion for this or any other real issue is to file a complaint with NHTSA. It really is quick and easy, and every manufacturer watches the NHTSA complaints (a) because they are required to and (b) because these complaints are what initiate recalls.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

Crafty word switching Wreckchecker/Checkswrecks!! :-\ I was thinking who is this guy and how is it he knows me for a long time? ::003::

 

[Checkswrecks]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

LOL - Took you long enough!

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Head count: Dead or High Idle issues only Who has been bit?

Not on ADV much that's why!!
You remember the member I was referring to broke down in Montrose?
Nice guy brute of a bike..