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You are wrong. I have a ton of Cajun relatives. You hear coon ass being proudly said all the time
Both are true.

“Coon” is a verifiable racial slur with a long and disgusting history in the US.

You will find coon here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

“Coon ass” is also a long used slang that is specific to Louisiana cajun culture. It is used as, believe it or not, a term of endearment these days and does not necessarily imply racial overtones.


For an example of this, note the character named “coon ass” in the ww2 movie Fury. He was played by Jon Bernthal. This name did not have racial implications in this script iiuc.


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You are wrong. I have a ton of Cajun relatives. You hear coon ass being proudly said all the time
Tenman what he said is technically correct. “Coon” is not the same slang as “coon ass” in this context.

Its confusing because he took you out of context.

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You are wrong. I have a ton of Cajun relatives. You hear coon ass being proudly said all the time
When I was stationed in Gulfport Mississippi my second name was Yankee Cracker. Did not bother me one bit. In fact I was proud of it.
 

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. . . . You hear coon as being proudly said all the time
Or, even coon az, depending on the level of intoxication. Of course, many words can either be a term of endearment, or derogatory as hell. . . . all depending on your intent.
 

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The words sound the same, but they're derived from different sources. The racial slur appears to be derived from the word "barracoon", and was in use as early as 1837. Barracoon is a bastardization of the word "barraca", which is a Catalan word for the temporary pens used to hold slaves prior to their transport.

The origin of "coonass" is a lot less distinct; there are multiple possible etymological origins of the word, and only one of them has anything to do with the ethnic slur "coon". Coonass certainly isn't recognized as a universal racial slur the way "coon" is. Though the Lousiana state legislature passed a resolution condemning the word, and some Cajuns do consider is a slur, a lot don't; I served in the Army with guys from Louisiana who said it proudly. And I sincerely doubt that the origin of "coonass" has anything to do with the racial slur. If you consider what society was like in 19th-20th century Louisiana, you'd have to believe that no white person would use a slur like that to refer to another white person; even the lowest rung of white society would have still been considered part of society; a slave wasn't. I certainly believe that in the Louisiana of the 1800's (both pre and post Civil War), calling a white person by a racial slur reserved for slaves, no matter how low the status of the white person, would have been unthinkable., so I doubt if people in Louisiana were calling each other "coon" in the same way they referred to slaves.

I encountered this sort of word when I was a cop, in the use of the term "white trash". It was either a slur or a mark of pride, depending on who was saying it. Usually it was broken down by economic status; if you were in the burbs or city, it was an insult. If you lived out in the holler, it was a badge of pride. I think that's pretty much the way that "coonass" is used. That's different than the way the racial slur "coon" is used; that term is pretty universally reviled. Even Black people never tried to adopt that word and take its power away, the way they did in some ways with the N word.

I looked this stuff up because the origins of words and language is interesting. But it is true that language is constantly evolving, and the original meaning of words can change. People hear the word "coon" now and they freak out, even though the use of the word may have nothing to do with a racial slur (though it's considered by some, both Cajun and non Cajun, to be an ethnic slur). That sort of societal freak out can begin to alter a language.
 

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I’m from north La. We are considered rednecks. I’ve never googled redneck. I might find out. I should be offended. :cool:
 

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I doubt it, Tenman, though I suppose offense could be taken if you were offended by the word's use as an economic/class slur. If you were a redneck, you were someone who worked outdoors for a living. A farmer, a logger, etc. Someone who might be viewed by the upper class as an uneducated laborer. Not as a bad person, or anything like that; more like a word that someone from the upper class would use to designate what rung of the social ladder they felt you were standing on. Like coonass, I know lots of people that would own that word with pride, and I know others that would use it as an insult. As they say, context is everything.
 

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I doubt it, Tenman, though I suppose offense could be taken if you were offended by the word's use as an economic/class slur. If you were a redneck, you were someone who worked outdoors for a living. A farmer, a logger, etc. Someone who might be viewed by the upper class as an uneducated laborer. Not as a bad person, or anything like that; more like a word that someone from the upper class would use to designate what rung of the social ladder they felt you were standing on. Like coonass, I know lots of people that would own that word with pride, and I know others that would use it as an insult. As they say, context is everything.
That's one way to look at "redneck". 'Round here-ah, it is not complimentary, at best neutral, but definitely not a compliment. Whereas coonass is never derogatory. You even have some people trying to claim they're coonass.
 

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The manner in how the word's used is different where you are than where I've lived. I grew up in the north, and seeing a pickup truck with some variation of a "Redneck Power" bumper sticker on it was common enough to not rate any notice. Some guys would refer to themselves as rednecks, without any trace of irony. These were often the working class kids. There were also guys who didn't like the term, and felt like it was a slam. They didn't like being called a redneck simply because they lived in rural Pennsylvania. Those guys were usually the ones who came from families where the parents were white collar workers. It simply illustrates that context is, as I said, important.

And it may be different in Texas, but "coonass" is a term that isn't universally accepted as a non-slur in Louisiana. Many don't find it offensive and self identify with it, but some do, and some of those include Cajuns. One of them is Norby Chabert, a Louisiana state senator and Cajun. There's also a state agency called CODOFIL that's comprised of Cajuns dedicated to the promotion of French in Louisiana, and their position is that it's an ethnic slur. Texans may embrace the term wholeheartedly, but in Louisiana, for at least some Cajuns, it doesn't fall under the category of never derogatory.

And, now I bow out, since I've contributed way too much to dragging this thread off the rails from its original theme. Happy Trails, all.
 

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Partly growing up in Appalachian Ohio (Tuscarawas County is now a resort area!) coon-ass was originally a term referring to backwoods folk, not unlike being called Appalachian trash (we weren't all white) or maybe rednecks. I always thought those were the types who might wear a coonskin hat and pretty much disavow anything modern, largely because they were always flat broke. It really wasn't common in our area as much as it was south of us in Kentucky and beyond, so Tenman's mentioning Louisiana and MS would fit. People in our area would have definitely taken it as an insult.

I do know that coonskin hats originated from Indians believing that wearing an animal skin helped get some of the powers of the animal and raccoons were sly critters who could always find food or something like that. Settlers and woodsmen found the pelts also happened to be the perfect size to make a hat and they were comfortable.

My Dad got me one of the hats when Daniel Boone was a fad in the 60's and I'd go shoot woodchuck, squirrels, and bunnies with my little 22. I'd get soft drinks for the chucks and we'd generally cook the bunnies and squirrels. My friend and I might've maybe perhaps gotten in trouble for shooting up some wrecked cars in the abandoned strip mine behind the house when we said we'd be shooting rats in the spillway or whatever else. It was the kind of sh1t kids would go to jail for now.
 
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