Harley Pan American coming 2/21/2021

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What is the fuel range on that thing?
I had an Electra Glide, which had a 6 gallon tank, which I believe is the same for the Road King. I use to average mid 40's on fuel. So pretty close to the Tenere.

I know when I am on trips, the Harleys packed for travel and on the road, usually outnumbers any other bikes. I put 61K miles on mine traveling around the western U.S. without any issues.
 

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the big Harley reveal is feb 22 2021 , then we will all know . there are some videos on the Harley site with professional riders on the pan American playing in the dirt.
 

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Whaaaat?! A 150 hp H-D? Potentially 100lbs lighter than the T-12? Is it a V-4? Because if it's a twin, why isn't that motor in all of their bikes. And, "luxury ADV bike". . . . is the T-12 a "luxury ADV bike"?. $20k. . . . making it one of the more affordable "luxury ADV bikes". o_O I have no issues, or any animosity toward H-D, but, don't piss on my leg, and tell me it's rain. Lastly. . . . "surpass the GS in every way"? o_O So. . . . IF it were to "surpass" the Beemer. . . . that would put H-D as having the best ADV bike out there? (since Beemer is consider the best now, and all) I can see it now: ADV bike shootout. . . . H-D unseats the reigning champion BMW. Bahahaaaa!
 

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I'm amused by the: Again, this jives pretty well as it keeps the Pan America close in performance spec to bikes like the KTM 1290 Adventure S and Ducati Multistrada V4.

Please forgive my complete and total skepticism. Based on the Harley faithful I've been stuck behind for my entire riding life, Harley engineers only make bikes that can go fast in a straight line.

I guess if you're just reading specs it's possible for them come up with numbers similar to the European bikes, but I'll be extraordinarily shocked if they ride anything like BMW/KTM/Ducati.

It would be awesome if they do...just nearly impossible to imagine
 

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I think Harley should sell these through multi-brand dealers instead of their traditional network. Past attempts to sell anything but a traditional Harley has been met with contempt at the dealer level sealing the fate on what night have been some pretty good bikes. It's not like their traditional network is going to have any expertise in servicing these (completely different mechanically) bikes anyway. Might as well train a multi-brand dealer to service them who better understands the segment. Buyers could also avoid dealing with the condescending attitude of many traditional dealers as well.
 

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I will say...the writer of the article I posted is definitely an optimist! But it seems the best strategy is to "under promise, over deliver" and that is one thing that sticks out in the article that the writer is speculating on. And based on my observation over the years of Harley bikes....it's been over promise, under perform.
 

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I'm serious when I ask about that motor. What is it? Obviously looks water cooled, and possibly a V-4. If they could deliver a 150hp motor. . . . they might sell more bikes. . . . any of them.
 

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I'm serious when I ask about that motor. What is it? Obviously looks water cooled, and possibly a V-4. If they could deliver a 150hp motor. . . . they might sell more bikes. . . . any of them.
It is a watercooled V-twin. Not difficult at all to get over 145+ crank HP from one.
 

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I'm serious when I ask about that motor. What is it? Obviously looks water cooled, and possibly a V-4. If they could deliver a 150hp motor. . . . they might sell more bikes. . . . any of them.
At first glance it looks like a VROD engine, but it's all new. It's a 60 degree v twin, liquid cooled, 1250cc, 145+ hp, 90+ pounds-feet of torque and probably chain driven DOHC. They call it the Revolution Max engine. I have a friend who works there in engine development and testing... Wonder what the tail light looks like?
 

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Less torque and more hp than the 1250 GS at 50 lbs less weight implies faster in stop light racing. For those who think Harleys can't handle, this will be lighter and a half again more horsepower than the XR1200 which were FUN bikes and the Indian FTR1200 seems to be based in.


I think the success of the Pan is really going to come down to how the power is delivered (can it walk slow too?) and how the chassis is set up. Hopefully they won't repeat the negatives that happened going from the XR1200 to the Street Rod.
 

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. . . . For those who think Harleys can't handle, this will be lighter and a half again more horsepower than the XR1200 . . . .
The XR was the first, and pretty much only, H-D that I liked as soon as I saw it. Which apparently meant that real Harley riders would not like it. For Harley? That light at the end of the tunnel? It's the Indian train. Or should that be the Indigenous American/Native American train? The names Washington Redskins, and Cleveland Indians are no more, so . . . . What's Indian Inc. going to do?
 
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Less torque and more hp than the 1250 GS at 50 lbs less weight implies faster in stop light racing. For those who think Harleys can't handle, this will be lighter and a half again more horsepower than the XR1200 which were FUN bikes and the Indian FTR1200 seems to be based in.


I think the success of the Pan is really going to come down to how the power is delivered (can it walk slow too?) and how the chassis is set up. Hopefully they won't repeat the negatives that happened going from the XR1200 to the Street Rod.
Those appear to be 17" wheels to me. Making a 17" wheel that is able to handle well and be even be fun does not seem like a big a task for a modern bike maker. The Pan American appears to me to be a 19" wheel. I think that is a whole lot more of a challenge.

There's no doubt, after years of getting stuck behind Harleys on twisty roads and wishing I had an ice pick to poke at my eye for entertainment while it lasted, I'll admit I have a very bad attitude about all things Harley. That said, I think it's a positive for the adventure market to have a well established bike manufacturer joining our community.

Welcome to the fray, Harley.

I think it will be easy for them to exceed my expectations (really easy). I honestly hope they shock me with their performance and make me eat my words.
 

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I knew somebody in PA who swore by his old Ulysses and had a bigger wire front wheel. (OEM were 17")
 
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