That'll work for 90% of your riding. Mr. Hughes and I put our feet down when we shouldn't have, and we were reminded why. I prefer hard bags for being able to lock them. I would think that for long distance, soft bags would work better. If you camp, they're going to be with you. If you motel it, they'll remove easy enough to take in the room. (or ride the bike into the room)
Hard panniers breaking ankles...how?
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Purificator81
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he had many ones:
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Purificator81
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will try to ride the bike into the room
the hard topcase will keep all the things I don't need in a room so they will be locked. the saddlebag will be dismounted every night if no camping
Purificator81
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if the soft panniers were loaded, I don't see how it is better than hard panniers except in marginal aspects only. the ankle would get hurt by the pressure/weight of the bag and the flexing of the soft bag would only reduce it marginally...just thinking out loud here...
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Bmwdumptruck
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Wow, in pretty much 25 years back on bikes, most of which I’ve been a regular on bike forums, particularly UKGSER(for20yrs), I’ve never heard of a single issue of this. And yet, the thoery is a fair one, and in theory one that could affect any bike with panniers fitted. My initial thoughts are that there are way more potential issues that could cause injury that this is just one of them and not necessarily the highest up the list.
sheikyerbooty
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Where is your trip? I went to the Hamada du Dra in '93. Dakar country. Photos please!
StephanSF
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I have heard the arguments against hard panniers and for soft luggage many times.. Last year on the Idaho BDR I went down on a stretch of very easy gravel road (after having successfully negotiated much harder terrain). After dabbing to save a washing out front end. I ended up getting my left leg caught under my SOFT pannier and it snapped right the eff in half. Tib Fib.
What people perhaps dont think about is that a packed soft pannier (in my case, Tusk Olympus) is quite rigid. Between the materials of the case itself and the stuff you pack in there, it is certainly more forgiving than an aluminum case, but it is quite hard nonetheless. In my case, it must have pinned my dabbing foot between the ground and my 700lb Tenere 1200 and it was firm enough that in the rotational motion of my downward fall, the pannier pinned my leg firmly enough for it to break.
Not to say that the arguments for soft luggage are not valid, just things don't always work the way we imagine them to work.
What people perhaps dont think about is that a packed soft pannier (in my case, Tusk Olympus) is quite rigid. Between the materials of the case itself and the stuff you pack in there, it is certainly more forgiving than an aluminum case, but it is quite hard nonetheless. In my case, it must have pinned my dabbing foot between the ground and my 700lb Tenere 1200 and it was firm enough that in the rotational motion of my downward fall, the pannier pinned my leg firmly enough for it to break.
Not to say that the arguments for soft luggage are not valid, just things don't always work the way we imagine them to work.
Madhatter
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its what I said earlier ....
Purificator81
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Still firming up the itinerary so no photos yet but I am attaching the gpx file...it will give you an idea as it is crossing most of the interesting parts of the Atlas
sheikyerbooty
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Purificator81
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sorry to read about what happened to your leg...you just confirmed my concern albeit theoretical as some may say but...a passenger bag + top case should be more than enough
Purificator81
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We always try but sometimes it does not work....so my whole thread was about minimizing the risk when it does not work
lund
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The Yamaha OE panniers are very unlikely to be the cause of a broken leg as a hard pannier.
They are essentially a break away pannier, the latching mechanism holding them is weak thus why many have had issues with them and don't like them, once broken off they are useless and while on an adventure that doesn't work well.
Other hard panniers though this can be an issue, I use soft for off road adventure and switch to my OE for on road trips as I find them easier to pack.
tntmo
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Maybe the bigger threat to leg injuries is the fact that you're off road on a 700+ pound loaded up motorcycle?
I have a few people in my dual sport / dirt bike circle that refuse to run wraparound hand guards due to the fact that "your hands gets stuck in them and your wrists will break". I'm sure that has happened at one time to someone, but if it was such an epidemic then where are the thousands of people running them with broken wrists?
I think both things are a viable safety concern, but obviously had saddlebags aren't going around breaking every ankle and wraparound hand guards aren't snapping every wrist. Know the possible risks and understand the possible outcomes.
I have a few people in my dual sport / dirt bike circle that refuse to run wraparound hand guards due to the fact that "your hands gets stuck in them and your wrists will break". I'm sure that has happened at one time to someone, but if it was such an epidemic then where are the thousands of people running them with broken wrists?
I think both things are a viable safety concern, but obviously had saddlebags aren't going around breaking every ankle and wraparound hand guards aren't snapping every wrist. Know the possible risks and understand the possible outcomes.
Purificator81
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Well for the 700lbs (not really loaded but moderately) one can argue that there is plenty of asphalt road and highways before you get to the off road sections and it will be uncomfortable to ride on a dirt bike.
For the dirt bike and braking the wrist etc I can understand because of the way they ride and the Intensity of how they ride single track dirt roads...in my case the speed on off road is not the primary objective and the fall of a bike in this situation is most often at a moderate speed so it boils down to how you fall and what can happen in that process...
So I am not risk averse...it is more about managing risks in a way to reduce them to the lowest possible without compromising the fun part of it....so for me top case and passenger saddlebag will bring down the risks to an acceptable level
Old thread on hard bags as leg breakers.
OEM Panniers = Ankle Breakers in fall?
Anyone else fall with the stock panniers and break or fracture an ankle/leg? There are 4 of us in the Metro Denver area that go riding together. I've casually named us the "Denver Usual Suspects"…. We do 50/50.. We only ride pavement to get to the dirt. Just this year alone in what has...
www.yamahasupertenere.com
yen_powell
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My main PC went bang and my work PC will not let me plug any of my back up drives in so I only have two pictures pinched from FB rather then the others showing the broken metal pannier. What I can show is the pannier that didn't get broken on my mates XRV. That's me pointing at the small rock that stopped him and where his bash plate smacked into it. He went over the handle bars. The large rock behind is the one that ripped off the left hand pannier. That is laying, along with half his possessions, out of view to the left. My bike (then) with soft panniers is the 2nd picture.
Yup. I was on pavement, but same thing. Your pegs are the best/safest place for your feet. But sometimes you forget.Old thread on hard bags as leg breakers.
OEM Panniers = Ankle Breakers in fall?
Anyone else fall with the stock panniers and break or fracture an ankle/leg? There are 4 of us in the Metro Denver area that go riding together. I've casually named us the "Denver Usual Suspects"…. We do 50/50.. We only ride pavement to get to the dirt. Just this year alone in what has...www.yamahasupertenere.com
But, as previously mentioned, a stuffed soft bag will do the same thing.SuckSqueezeBangBlow
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I don't agree that loaded soft bags would be as hard as loaded hard bags. Typically I would have clothes and other "bendable" things, maybe some tools but nothing that would cause the bag not to give or absorb the impact. If a bike falls over with soft bags they will squish down, if there are hard bags they will not give and the bag would be damaged.
I will agree with this type of incident causing damage and injury. But in CW's picture of the Beemer, bag composition won't matter. It's not so much a crushing thing as a hyperextension thing.