Gen 1 new recall

blitz11

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I agree. It looks like this whole process is to replace the TB connections, UNLESS they think there is a problem inside the main wire harness and this fix is a lot easier and cheaper than replacing the entire harness. All the wires are color coded.
I've been super busy, but i ordered the kit from cheapyamahaparts.com, and it arrived about a week after placing the order. the kit didn't come with instructions, but member jrusel sent me the instructions. My idea is to run until i have an issue, then install the recall kit.

Thanks to jrusel and old rider for their help.
 

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I called the stealership that I bought mine from 2 months ago. Paid cash for it in 13. I sent them an email last night about it. Today a new guy there called me. He said somebody dropped the ball. I gave him the VIN again. He called back a few minutes later. He said I have to bring the bike in (90 miles) before they can even order the part. He said it’ll take them 3 to 5 days to get the part. JEEZ I told him “ok We’ll see and hung up. If you have a good local dealer. Thank God.
 

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I've been super busy, but i ordered the kit from cheapyamahaparts.com, and it arrived about a week after placing the order. the kit didn't come with instructions, but member jrusel sent me the instructions. My idea is to run until i have an issue, then install the recall kit.

Thanks to jrusel and old rider for their help.
I got the instructions from jrusel too and when I printed them they were too blurred to read. I went back and read them with a pdf viewer and everything was crystal clear. I may change it out over the winter or just make sure the connections are good and clean and just ride until it has problems.
 

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Do the connectors have any identifying numbers? It seems like corrosion resistant connectors for the throttle sensors are the only real change. It could be easier to clip wires and just replace those connectors.
My understanding of the problem from reading the NHTSA Recall Report and from my experience with the problem is this:

I do not think there is anything wrong with the sensor connectors, the problem is with the type of splice that was used within the wiring harness. Yamaha's solution to the problem (described in the Recall Report, Description of Remedy - link ) is to bypass the defective splice with a new sub harness that has a better splice in it, thus the need for the new connectors.

Description of the Splice:
The four wires from each sensor connector (APS and TPS) go into the wiring harness and shortly after entering the harness (within a couple inches) some of the wires are spliced together then go on to the ECU.

Reference the diagram below, the blue wire from each sensor connector enter the wiring harness then are spliced into the wire that goes to the ECU connector (3 wires spliced together at this point). The same is done with the black/blue wires (3 wires spliced together).
In the picture above that OldRider posted (Reply #159) of the new sub harness you can see these 2 splices. I would guess they had a reason to use a clear covering over the splices, so they could be inspected)
APS-TPS-ECU-2e.jpg

What I learned from my problem and from reading a thread about this issue:
See the thread "No idle and high idle problem", people have had different problems as a result of these defective splices, it just depends on how the connections/splices break down for each individual, but probably most owners have not had any problem.

I have 80,000 miles and owned my 2013 since new 6 years ago, Dec 15,2012. I never had a problem with this issue until a couple months ago, mid September. I had an intermittent problem where it would be running just fine but sometmes when I would come to a stop and the RPMs dropped, it would just drop straight to zero RPMs. I suspected a bad TPS sensor but I checked it and the resistance was within spec. I was at a loss about what the problem was, then I found the thread mentioned above and that led me to checking the wiring harness.

I eventually raised the tank and noticed where the wiring harness goes along the horizontal bar on the frame, the harness was sagging a bit just a couple of inches before the point where the pigtails for the APS and TPS sensor connectors come out of the harness. I started the motor and poked around where the sag was and it affected the idle, I poked some more and it died. I think I found where the defective splice was in the harness.

I straightened out the harness and zip tied it to the frame to support it. That "fixed" my problem. After my problem first started, it was happening quite often, normally within 30 miles while just riding around locally with stop and goes. I could restart it easy enough by giving it throttle but I had to keep the revs up until I got going then it would run just fine. After my "fix" I rode over 1000 miles with no problem. Coincidentally and lucky for me I found out about the recall coming out just a couple days after I did my fix.
The main point of all this is just that I think I pin pointed where the splice was within the harness without actually opening up the harness and looking.

I have no inside knowledge of this problem this is just my understanding of how things are.
Maybe this will help those who have not had to dig into this problem yet.
Without this forum I don't think I would have been able find my "fix" to the problem before the real fix (recall) came out.
 
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Another question about us ECU Re-Flash boy's...
Has anything been said by the dealers about funny ECU programs or even identified any change?
The tech that did my harness made a comment on how snappy and smoother my bike was compared to others he has ridden.
I told him i had the clutch basket replaced with the new version but that's as far as it went.
 

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Another question about us ECU Re-Flash boy's...
Has anything been said by the dealers about funny ECU programs or even identified any change?
The tech that did my harness made a comment on how snappy and smoother my bike was compared to others he has ridden.
I told him i had the clutch basket replaced with the new version but that's as far as it went.
I was wondering the same thing since I did the Ecu unleashed second gen re-flash on my 2012. I hope / think it won't cause problems as far as the recall is concerned, but I'm not sure.
 

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My understanding of the problem from reading the NHTSA Recall Report and from my experience with the problem is this:
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I re-read the recal info, and it sure sounds like you are correct!
I can't help but think it would be easier to open up the harness and just repair the splice, but I guess Yamaha can't trust the techs in the field to do that right?
 

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What's up with this crap?
Yamaha Corp sends me the letter, I am on the recall list. I call A dealer they tell me based on my VIN number I am not, I call same dealer again another guy tells me I am, The NHTSA, site says I am not.........WTF?
is there a VIN list I can check for sure. Is there a video or some picture that shows where this harness is so I can at least inspect it.? Any help is mucho appreciated...:))
 

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What's up with this crap?
Yamaha Corp sends me the letter, I am on the recall list. I call A dealer they tell me based on my VIN number I am not, I call same dealer again another guy tells me I am, The NHTSA, site says I am not.........WTF?
is there a VIN list I can check for sure. Is there a video or some picture that shows where this harness is so I can at least inspect it.? Any help is mucho appreciated...:))
 

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thank you sir. It seems like numbers are not sequential. I called another dealer, he told me I am in the range. They ordered the kit, I will take it in next week probably. Has anyone had bad luck with the work ? doesnt seem too complicated, but then again I dont trust dealer working on my bike.
thanks again OldRider !!
 

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Another question about us ECU Re-Flash boy's...
Has anything been said by the dealers about funny ECU programs or even identified any change?
The tech that did my harness made a comment on how snappy and smoother my bike was compared to others he has ridden.
I told him i had the clutch basket replaced with the new version but that's as far as it went.
No question at all on mine. Service Writer (and the dealer owner) are aware I had mine flashed and their only interest was how well it runs.

~G
 

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What's up with this crap?
Yamaha Corp sends me the letter, I am on the recall list. I call A dealer they tell me based on my VIN number I am not, I call same dealer again another guy tells me I am, The NHTSA, site says I am not.........WTF?
is there a VIN list I can check for sure. Is there a video or some picture that shows where this harness is so I can at least inspect it.? Any help is mucho appreciated...:))
If you have the recall letter you're good. Go to the Yamaha-Motor website, towards the bottom is a recall link...enter the bikes VIN and you have another verification straight from the mother-ship.

~G
 

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I have a 2012 and I got the letter. Like a previous poster said, I have to wonder why I can't just open up the existing harness and inspect/repair the existing splices then seal it all back up. I guess the work involved is probably about the same as installing the new harness though. I haven't had a problem and I am not about to let a dealer go looking for one, esp. since they most likely lose money doing it..
 

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It's just a wiring harness, no different then the many I've cut into for repair or modification. Clean up the splices, resolder, seal, clean the connectors, treat them to some dielectric grease and rewrap. Yami wouldn't do that so they have a known quality splice in the new harness instead of some tech twisting them together and wrapping with tape... But like I said, it doesn't really save any time and for the $35 I'll just buy the harness and do it at valve clearance time. If anyone has the part of the harness that was cut out it would be interesting to see it unwrapped to have a look at the splices.
 

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It's just a wiring harness, no different then the many I've cut into for repair or modification. Clean up the splices, resolder, seal, clean the connectors, treat them to some dielectric grease and rewrap. Yami wouldn't do that so they have a known quality splice in the new harness instead of some tech twisting them together and wrapping with tape... But like I said, it doesn't really save any time and for the $35 I'll just buy the harness and do it at valve clearance time. If anyone has the part of the harness that was cut out it would be interesting to see it unwrapped to have a look at the splices.
I guess if Warranty is expired whats the harm?
 

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Exactly, it's just looks like three wires twisted together, the one looks like it has a blob of solder on the end, the other doesn't even have that. Looks like they rely on the clear sheath that I'm assuming is shrink wrapped to hold them together. It's not like doing surgery to a PCB, unless I'm missing something?
 

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and here it is the advantage of regular cable throttle...

It reminds me runaway toyotas problems few years ago.
 

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I really dont trust the dealers with their work ethics and quality of techs. How about just run it as is? What do you folks think? Has any body opened up into it and check? if so could you share pictures please. I have appointment with local dealer, but I have a gut feeling that tells me dont take it in they will f$$$ it up !!!
 
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