First oil change, oil light is staying on.

RCinNC

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Warranties are like any other business contract; absent enforcement by a court, they're dependent on the ethics of the people who signed the contract that the provisions of the contract will be adhered to. Dealerships don't make money on warranty repairs, and they don't make money from people who do their own maintenance. If the dealership isn't ethical, then it's easy for them to use scare tactics like "you have to use OEM parts or you'll void your warranty", or "if you don't bring your bike back here for service, you might void your warranty". And it's true that a dealership might try and avoid making a warranty repair by claiming that using a Mobil filter or an EBC brake pad was the cause of the problem and therefore not a warranty issue, but a dealership with those sorts of compromised ethics is just as likely to lie in some other way to avoid a warranty repair even if you've taken the bike there for every single bit of maintenance, and used OEM parts, ever since you bought it.

Lots of guys on here wrench on their own bikes. I'm one of them. I also keep very detailed records of every job I've done, every type filter I've used, every type oil, etc. That's a good thing to do if you do your own maintenance for at least as long as the warranty is in effect, because you may someday run into an unethical dealership that tries to wriggle out of warranty work by claiming the bike wasn't maintained properly, and you'll have to either fight them or find a more ethical dealership.

I once had to go over the head of a local Hyundai dealership service manager who refused to repair my car after a class action lawsuit dictated that they replace the subframe on the car due to a design flaw. Even after I showed all the relevant paperwork to the service manager, he maintained that my car wasn't part of the class action suit because it only applied to cars that were registered in the Rust Belt states, and my car was registered in North Carolina. This was in spite of the fact that the lawsuit was clear that it applied to cars that had previously been registered in the Rust Belt, which mine was. I had to make calls to Hyundai America in order to get them to contact the dealership and force them to do the work that was required by law.

There's always a lot of misinformation perpetuated on line about warranties, and what they do and don't mean. Companies don't have to offer a warranty at all, but if they do, it has to adhere to the Federal statutes outlined in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. If you want to read about the Act there's plenty on line, and it has its own Wikipedia page.
 

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Warranties are like any other business contract; absent enforcement by a court, they're dependent on the ethics of the people who signed the contract that the provisions of the contract will be adhered to. Dealerships don't make money on warranty repairs, and they don't make money from people who do their own maintenance. If the dealership isn't ethical, then it's easy for them to use scare tactics like "you have to use OEM parts or you'll void your warranty", or "if you don't bring your bike back here for service, you might void your warranty". And it's true that a dealership might try and avoid making a warranty repair by claiming that using a Mobil filter or an EBC brake pad was the cause of the problem and therefore not a warranty issue, but a dealership with those sorts of compromised ethics is just as likely to lie in some other way to avoid a warranty repair even if you've taken the bike there for every single bit of maintenance, and used OEM parts, ever since you bought it.

Lots of guys on here wrench on their own bikes. I'm one of them. I also keep very detailed records of every job I've done, every type filter I've used, every type oil, etc. That's a good thing to do if you do your own maintenance for at least as long as the warranty is in effect, because you may someday run into an unethical dealership that tries to wriggle out of warranty work by claiming the bike wasn't maintained properly, and you'll have to either fight them or find a more ethical dealership.

I once had to go over the head of a local Hyundai dealership service manager who refused to repair my car after a class action lawsuit dictated that they replace the subframe on the car due to a design flaw. Even after I showed all the relevant paperwork to the service manager, he maintained that my car wasn't part of the class action suit because it only applied to cars that were registered in the Rust Belt states, and my car was registered in North Carolina. This was in spite of the fact that the lawsuit was clear that it applied to cars that had previously been registered in the Rust Belt, which mine was. I had to make calls to Hyundai America in order to get them to contact the dealership and force them to do the work that was required by law.

There's always a lot of misinformation perpetuated on line about warranties, and what they do and don't mean. Companies don't have to offer a warranty at all, but if they do, it has to adhere to the Federal statutes outlined in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. If you want to read about the Act there's plenty on line, and it has its own Wikipedia page.
i was trying to remember the name of the warranty act in the US, thanks for that :) . one of my international customers and I were talking about it a few weeks back, who are very pro-end user repair. My company is currently in negotiations with a certain green colored farm equipment manufacturer for manufacturing of a err... part... that makes it impossible for a farmer to repair his own equipment. This company is using right to repair to circumvent many of the M-M warranty act by simply making parts not user serviceable. So far this company is struggling to find a machine shop that will make the part because its so obvious as to what it's doing and nobody wants to be part of it.
 

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This is the crap that pisses me off about DIY repairs:



What is a tool not normally found in a residence? I have an electrical/hydraulic Quick Jack for my cars, a compressor and pneumatic impact wrenches. How many residences normally have a torque wrench capable of 250 ft lb? I regularly have "tech days" with my friends where we'll do anything from valve clearance / adjustments to tire changes. Oh and I forgot to mention I have a Harbor Freight tire stand changer that bolts to the floor of my garage. Pretty sure I'd be a damn criminal if I lived in Sacramento!
 
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This is the crap that pisses me off about DIY repairs:


What is a tool not normally found in a residence? I have an electrical/hydraulic Quick Jack for my cars, a compressor and pneumatic impact wrenches. How many residences normally have a torque wrench capable of 250 ft lb? I regularly have "tech days" with my friends where we'll do anything from valve clearance / adjustments to tire changes. Oh and I forgot to mention I have a Harbor Freight tire stand changer that bolts to the floor of my garage. Pretty sure I'd be a damn criminal if I lived in Sacramento!
many of these stem from people leaving junkers out front on blocks for decades at a time, then it kind of snowballs because nobody notices or takes action.
boy howdy do i love holding tech days. I live in a small country neighbourhood, i put up notice to all my neighbours and mention that a ton of vehicles will be blocking the street all day, and in return you'll have likely 100 people here to help with a chore of your choosing. (many of my neighbours are elderly). 3 years ago, I watched 3 members of a very scary looking bike gang help put up my 90 yr old neighbours laundry! hahah. edit: AND SHE GAVE THEM LEMONADE AS THANKS! oh what a time to be alive
 

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Yeah, I have to agree with Damon. I think this targets the permanent fixture cars more than the shade tree mechanic. A full sized lift comes to mind for an excluded tool. Even with one of those, as long as it's inside the garage. I know a guy that actually put a lift in his garage. . . . . took out the ceiling, and went up into the attic.

If I paid that much for a house, I wouldn't want a rusty/nasty p.o.s. in the driveway next door for weeks & months. I, like Damon, live in a rural neighborhood. No city ordinances.
 

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i was trying to remember the name of the warranty act in the US, thanks for that :) . one of my international customers and I were talking about it a few weeks back, who are very pro-end user repair. My company is currently in negotiations with a certain green colored farm equipment manufacturer for manufacturing of a err... part... that makes it impossible for a farmer to repair his own equipment. This company is using right to repair to circumvent many of the M-M warranty act by simply making parts not user serviceable. So far this company is struggling to find a machine shop that will make the part because its so obvious as to what it's doing and nobody wants to be part of it.
They're using the same sort of tactics that Apple uses. They claim that their products can't be user serviceable because it would force them allow their proprietary software and hardware to be available to the general public. The last time I read an article about John Deere, farmers were beginning to purchase bootleg software produced in (I think) Poland to allow them to repair the simple things that now require a JD tech to make a field call. Right to Repair is super important, now more than ever.
 

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Yeah, I have to agree with Damon. I think this targets the permanent fixture cars more than the shade tree mechanic. A full sized lift comes to mind for an excluded tool. Even with one of those, as long as it's inside the garage. I know a guy that actually put a lift in his garage. . . . . took out the ceiling, and went up into the attic.

If I paid that much for a house, I wouldn't want a rusty/nasty p.o.s. in the driveway next door for weeks & months. I, like Damon, live in a rural neighborhood. No city ordinances.
Agreed, that was the original motivation, but both articles talk about a guy that was working inside his closed garage and got fined. They’ve taken it way to far. Sacramento already had a law on the books you could not leave your car anywhere more than 72 hours without moving unless it was inside a closed garage.


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sometimes that happened to me with other motorcycles. The problem is that the oil filter is faulty.
For what a filter is worth I would try to change it.
 

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sometimes that happened to me with other motorcycles. The problem is that the oil filter is faulty.
For what a filter is worth I would try to change it.
The filter is fine, it was the level sensor sticking. Apparently a fairly well known issue that, when coming from any other motorcycle, will throw you for a loop. The level sensor came unstuck after 10 minutes of riding.
 

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I think my level sensor might have gotten stuck once after an off riding in the dirt. When I righted and re-started the bike the oil warning light stayed on for 30+ seconds, maybe a minute. The other thought was that the oil spilled out of the integral reservoir into the sump, and it just took a bit of time for the scavenge pump to return it to the reservoir.
 

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Me too I did my first oil and oil filter change. After filling, the oil did not appaer in the gauge glass, not even after starting the engine. Now I read here that this is normal, one has to go and ride the bike for that. Pretty stupid one reads these things like this after the mistakes happen. :rolleyes: Anyway, at the moment of the change, I did not know this and added an extra 0.7 liter, so it now has ~4 liter which is ~4.22 US Quarts I think.

Can I just leave it like that or is it necessarry to drain the 0.7 ltr ?
 

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. . . . Can I just leave it like that or is it necessarry to drain the 0.7 ltr ?
My vote is leave it. Do y'all have different Yamalube jugs of oil? Ours are 4qts, which I now just put the entire jug in to keep my light off. I've never looked to see how many liters are in the jug.

If you drain some, do it from the front plug.
 

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My vote is leave it. Do y'all have different Yamalube jugs of oil? Ours are 4qts, which I now just put the entire jug in to keep my light off. I've never looked to see how many liters are in the jug.

If you drain some, do it from the front plug.
Don't know why its so hard to get an accurate oil level reading on this bike, after my oil change and letting it warm up and waiting a few minutes for oil to go back down as stated in the manual, level was perfect. Went for a ride, checked back, level was over the sight glass. Drained a good 250ml, but from the rear drain plug...why is it not a good idea to drain from that plug?

Thanks!
 

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Don't know why its so hard to get an accurate oil level reading on this bike, after my oil change and letting it warm up and waiting a few minutes for oil to go back down as stated in the manual, level was perfect. Went for a ride, checked back, level was over the sight glass. Drained a good 250ml, but from the rear drain plug...why is it not a good idea to drain from that plug?

Thanks!
Personal opinion (based a little on fact): Put the specified amount of oil in the pan, and ride. Pay no attention to the sight glass. The only reason I ever look at my sight glass is to make sure it's not empty due to some unknown catastrophic occurrence. I have never had to add oil in between oil changes to any bike not made in Germany.

But, seriously, my bike goes from oil light on . . . . to filling the sight glass . . . . with less than 8oz added.

The front plug drains the smaller portion of the pan. The back plug holds the majority of the oil. Drain from that plug, and there's a good chance that too much will get out.
 

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What I intend to do at my first oil change is put in the specified amount of oil. Go for a ride and let the bike cool overnight on the center stand. I hope to see something on the sight glass the next morning, probably an oil level that is too low. If I can't see any oil at all, the sight glass is worthless for a cold pre-ride check.
 

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When I got my 2013 S10. I did the same thing. Wondering what was up with the oil level. Pre Forum days. When I rarely park on the center stand. Mine is right on the money.
 

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Personal opinion (based a little on fact): Put the specified amount of oil in the pan, and ride. Pay no attention to the sight glass. The only reason I ever look at my sight glass is to make sure it's not empty due to some unknown catastrophic occurrence. I have never had to add oil in between oil changes to any bike not made in Germany.

But, seriously, my bike goes from oil light on . . . . to filling the sight glass . . . . with less than 8oz added.

The front plug drains the smaller portion of the pan. The back plug holds the majority of the oil. Drain from that plug, and there's a good chance that too much will get out.
Thanks. And thank god its not a german bike, my brand new 2018 RnineT urban GS burned 1L of oil per 10000km. Dealer said it was a good one, that anything under 4L/10000km was considered within specs by BMW.


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yep with the yammy filter im putting 3.7L...which is just under 4 US Liquid quart...as others are saying. Do that, take it for a spin. my sight glass can take 10-15 min running to come up to level (2/3rds up between the bars)
 

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Thanks. And thank god its not a german bike, my brand new 2018 RnineT urban GS burned 1L of oil per 10000km. Dealer said it was a good one, that anything under 4L/10000km was considered within specs by BMW.
That probably what my RT was using. It used a lot less at 60K miles than it did brand new. Maybe I just didn't give it a chance to break in.:rolleyes:
 
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