Ethics & Online Deals
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Short answer (IMHO)
Did you make a mistake? Yes
Was it unethical? No
Kudos for owning up
Longdog Cymru
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Just a suggestion here in hindsight; the poll was probably valid when the OP initially posted. Since then, things have changed somewhat and cycledelic relic has come clean and posted his explaination. To my mind at least, this renders the original poll irrelevant, at least in regard to cycledelic relic, so I think that many of the voters opinions may have changed as we now have both side of the story. Feel free to disagree, this is a democratic site and it’s a free world and I won’t take offence if anyone disagrees with my view on this subject.
Thinking about this, it comes down to: Did buyer send funds? If funds were sent and seller accepted, in my mind the seller is obligated to finish the sale. If no funds were sent- the deal just came unwound. No harm. If funds were sent and refunded = No harm. Time to move on.
I’ve had good luck buying 2nd hand stuff on here.
Shipping companies are really giving cut rate deals to the big players (Amazon) and the individuals get to pay when they ship. The price of fuel and all, somebody is paying.
I’ve had good luck buying 2nd hand stuff on here.
Shipping companies are really giving cut rate deals to the big players (Amazon) and the individuals get to pay when they ship. The price of fuel and all, somebody is paying.
Hat is off to Cycledelic Relic and poll deleted with the extra explanation.
Glad to have members like this, while also understanding the frustration of the OP.
Glad to have members like this, while also understanding the frustration of the OP.
cycledelic relic
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Thanx to all yall for the comments...
I'll stick around ...& keep postin on various threads.....
Ten #3 has about 32K miles now....& still rides wonderfully
I'll stick around ...& keep postin on various threads.....
Ten #3 has about 32K miles now....& still rides wonderfully
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"Ass, grass, or gas . . . nobody rides for free"
SilverBullet
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Here's something related to shipping charges to keep in mind. Some shippers have a fuel surcharge adder on their rates that adjusts monthly. So if you get a rate quote in one month and include shipping in your price then your item sells and ships the following month your shipping rate can change (either up or down).
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Got a similar notice from my trash service. New pricing until the cost of fuel drops.
My opinion (and the reason I started this thread) is that short of tragedy or extreme circumstances, there is no justification for reneging on a deal, and that it should be honored regardless of whether it turns out to be advantageous. I think this sort of thing has gotten out of hand on FB marketplace and I really don’t want it to see it spread to forums I use.
In this specific instance (as acknowledged) I think the general cost of shipping should have been better understood/checked prior to. If shipping is too high or unpredictable, then it’s easy to offer $XXX + shipping cost.
How many times have you guys:
A) Had someone say they’re coming to buy your item and then not show
B) Traveled to buy an item and find that the seller sold it since you last spoke & arranged the buy
C) Packed up an item only for the buyer to cancel when payment time comes
… these types of things happen to me frequently and it’s wasted more of my time than I care to think about.
Online, it’s very easy slap up an offer or agree to a deal and not think twice, but it’s highly inconsiderate (at the very least) to the other party to not honor it, regardless of whether it’s due to carelessness or underhanded reasons. Mostly, I find it’s due to people fact-checking after jumping into a deal rather than before.
I enjoy buying and selling on forums because, in general, people are knowledgeable and rarely careless in their buy/sell postings, and dishonest parties are usually thrown on the banned wagon quickly. I’d really like it to stay that way.
In this specific instance (as acknowledged) I think the general cost of shipping should have been better understood/checked prior to. If shipping is too high or unpredictable, then it’s easy to offer $XXX + shipping cost.
How many times have you guys:
A) Had someone say they’re coming to buy your item and then not show
B) Traveled to buy an item and find that the seller sold it since you last spoke & arranged the buy
C) Packed up an item only for the buyer to cancel when payment time comes
… these types of things happen to me frequently and it’s wasted more of my time than I care to think about.
Online, it’s very easy slap up an offer or agree to a deal and not think twice, but it’s highly inconsiderate (at the very least) to the other party to not honor it, regardless of whether it’s due to carelessness or underhanded reasons. Mostly, I find it’s due to people fact-checking after jumping into a deal rather than before.
I enjoy buying and selling on forums because, in general, people are knowledgeable and rarely careless in their buy/sell postings, and dishonest parties are usually thrown on the banned wagon quickly. I’d really like it to stay that way.
AusTexS10
Well-Known Member
I think this has been hashed over and rehashed enough today by Forum members with the consensus it was an unfortunate act, but understandable once all the facts were laid out. The would-be seller fessed up and evidently offered to split the higher shipping cost which you apparently rejected. [Content deleted - CW] I thought a moderator was going to pull the plug on this whole discussion after we got to the bottom of it all, but that evidently hasn't happened yet. Cycledelic Relic has been on here a long, long time and has sold many items to many members, including yours truly, and he ain't gonna get banned over this one little poop toss.
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Never happened to me, but I know a few people that it has. All good reason why I don't. I have also heard where this kind of thing leads to a meet-up where the turd party is planning to rob the other party. Now, I would be acceptable to that kind of meeting. Of course it wouldn't have the results that the turds were hoping for.
No problem with the discussion so not deleting the thread.
Derogatory comments aimed at another member on the other hand...
gv550
Well-Known Member
I had a similar situation on this forum a few years ago, I didn’t complain then and I’m not complaining now, stuff happens. A Mitas E07 tire (used 100 miles only) was advertised for about 1/3 price including shipping, I bought it and sent payment by PayPal, seller acknowledged receipt of payment. After a few days I got a PM from the seller that shipping was going to be more than he expected and he was going to refund my money and sell it locally. He did refund the money but even though I was wintering in Arizona at the time my PayPal account is registered in Canada so I was dinged the currency exchange commission both ways, frustrating but that’s life, eh?
That same winter I bought a new tire from a member on the Tracer forum, smoking deal on the tire but he was to get back to me about shipping cost. I gave him my address and I received the tire a few days later, I told the seller I had the tire and wondering how much to pay him? Took him a while to respond (busy with work) but his price was fair and I sent payment.
Win some, loose some.
That same winter I bought a new tire from a member on the Tracer forum, smoking deal on the tire but he was to get back to me about shipping cost. I gave him my address and I received the tire a few days later, I told the seller I had the tire and wondering how much to pay him? Took him a while to respond (busy with work) but his price was fair and I sent payment.
Win some, loose some.
tntmo
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If the deal was good, it would still be good after splitting the shipping costs. Otherwise go buy new and see if you like that price?
I only include free shipping on things that fit in flat rate boxes because the prices are so absurd it's difficult to consider what it might cost from one area of the country to another, not even including outside the USA!
I only include free shipping on things that fit in flat rate boxes because the prices are so absurd it's difficult to consider what it might cost from one area of the country to another, not even including outside the USA!
AusTexS10
Well-Known Member
My bad,I read
My bad, I read "poll deleted" as meaning the whole discussion. As to "on the other hand ," it just seemed to me the OP had an attitude and had come back in after all the discussion and deliberation and was unwilling to accept what seemed to be the consensus of the group, hence my comment. I'm sorry that you found it unacceptable. I'll refrain from offering opinions in any commnts in the future. To me, it seemed the OP continued his derogatory diatribe after most responders appeared to dismiss his original complaint. I'll let it rest at this point, it's not worth the stress. Make a nice day.
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… these types of things happen to me frequently and it’s wasted more of my time than I care to think about.
Online, it’s very easy slap up an offer or agree to a deal and not think twice, but it’s highly inconsiderate (at the very least) to the other party to not honor it, regardless of whether it’s due to carelessness or underhanded reasons. Mostly, I find it’s due to people fact-checking after jumping into a deal rather than before.
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I have a simple solution for you. Buy NEW stuff. Deal with a retail dealer that has customer policy in place.
You have unrealistic expectations with private sellers.
… these types of things happen to me frequently and it’s wasted more of my time than I care to think about.
Online, it’s very easy slap up an offer or agree to a deal and not think twice, but it’s highly inconsiderate (at the very least) to the other party to not honor it, regardless of whether it’s due to carelessness or underhanded reasons. Mostly, I find it’s due to people fact-checking after jumping into a deal rather than before.
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I have a simple solution for you. Buy NEW stuff. Deal with a retail dealer that has customer policy in place.
You have unrealistic expectations with private sellers.
Frankly, my reply was mostly typed and ready to go when I started the thread and I’d just then gotten around to posting it. Didn’t want to lead with my opinion.
Also frankly, I didn’t expect the majority to agree with me. But the consensus from the comments and the consensus from the poll seem to be very different, with the (anonymous) poll reflecting more harshly on the seller.
I started this because I was genuinely curious what others thought on here. In a thread encouraging opinions, I’d hope that an established consensus wouldn’t be a reason not to post one’s own.
Edit: To be clear, I’m not implying at all that I think the seller should be banned. That comment was directed more towards sifting out parties that join forums intending to be fraudulent (aka that guy that joins just to sell that item at a price too good to be true).
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Most private sellers are just that, individuals selling unwanted/surplus stuff online. With the modern day payment methods such as pay pal and Venmo it takes away most of the problems you expressed.
I’ve been on both ends of the deal. Yeah it sucks when you’re on your way to pick something up and you get a call that it sold. You can alleviate that with sending payment right away.
The poll was put up telling one side of the story-yours. After hearing both sides opinions changed.
You are not out anything. Why anguish over this? Usually there is no free lunch. The seller realized how much shipping was going to be and backed out of the deal.
Remember “You can be happy if you want to”.
Order you a new set and move on.
I’ve been on both ends of the deal. Yeah it sucks when you’re on your way to pick something up and you get a call that it sold. You can alleviate that with sending payment right away.
The poll was put up telling one side of the story-yours. After hearing both sides opinions changed.
You are not out anything. Why anguish over this? Usually there is no free lunch. The seller realized how much shipping was going to be and backed out of the deal.
Remember “You can be happy if you want to”.
Order you a new set and move on.