Error code ??

phreedom

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Had recall done but still getting hard starting and occasional stalls problems are worse on first start of the day.
I see an error code 19 flash where the odometer usually is on the dash during these intermittent problems
 

WJBertrand

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Had recall done but still getting hard starting and occasional stalls problems are worse on first start of the day.
I see an error code 19 flash where the odometer usually is on the dash during these intermittent problems
Welcome to the forum. Nice to see another Venturian aboard! Let me know if you want any help as I'm close by obviously.
 

Sierra1

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Do you know how to properly disconnect sidestand switch ?
Have you tried cleaning the switch? The one on my 'ol FJ stuck years ago. WD-40'd the s**t out of it....got the plunger free....never had to replace the switch. I haven't looked to see if the switches are the same, but it is a grimy location. And, this bike requires more pivot point lubrication than any other bike I've ridden.
 
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phreedom

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Have you tried cleaning the switch? The one on my 'ol FJ stuck years ago. WD-40'd the s**t out of it....got the plunder free....never had to replace the switch. I haven't looked to see if the switches are the same, but it is a grimy location. And, this bike requires more pivot point lubrication than any other bike I've ridden.
WD 40 solved it for me ,too !!
 

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Officially, Error Code 19 - error on the incoming signal from the ECU (short circuit or disconnected
sensor side footboard). Yamaha speak for the side stand switch, but also check out the clutch switch. There are several threads covering this issue.

One of the warning signs that the system is playing up is when you find you need to click into neutral to get a re-start if you stall the engine. The stand switch gets a hard life, particularly if you use the bike off-road. Some manage to free it up with WD40 & the like, but sometimes the internal contacts get too corroded from road contaminants like salt.
 

GearDriven

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Had recall done but still getting hard starting and occasional stalls problems are worse on first start of the day.
I see an error code 19 flash where the odometer usually is on the dash during these intermittent problems
Phreeddom, I'm on a '13 with 56,000 miles with same troubles. Got so bad today I dropped it at the dealer for the recall. It was running very rough as if water in the gas. Been doing this very intermittently, with the 19 code and hard start issue. Today went to a whole new level when I could barely do 25 mph. Limped it to a parking lot, stalled, then began running OK and drove 30 miles home to dealer. Nerve racking (busy highway). I recently took the side stand switch apart, the inside looked surprising/disappointing clean. Dealer will have my bike for at least a week, I'll update with the outcome. Dealer was careful to note that the recall symptoms don't match mine and it may not be the fix. I also ran fuel treatment initially thinking it was bad gas. Next move will be to pull apart all the relevant connectors, check for corrosion and protect with ACF-50....should have done this already I know.
 

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Recall complete, dealer advised still getting code 19. They're saying the ignition switch is failing. Up to at least $460 to replace, and would have a different key :(. May just spray with a bunch of WD-40 or ACF-50 in a desperate attempt to fix. Oh, and there's only one switch available, and it's on the other side of the country.
 
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Squibb

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Recall complete, dealer advised still getting code 19. They're saying the ignition switch is failing. Up to at least $460 to replace, and would have a different key :(. May just spray with a bunch of WD-40 or ACF-50 in a desperate attempt to fix. Oh, and there's only one switch available, and it's on the other side of the country.
Code 19 is nothing to do with the ignition switch. BTW resist spraying WD40 down a lock barrel, if that was the plan, use graphite lock lube.

If we are to believe the self diagnostics from the ECU, it just has to be the side-stand &/or clutch switch, or their attendant wiring. Are you certain that the side-stand switch is good? The symptoms you describe are just what can happen in my experience; I think of it as if the contacts within the switch aren't making a firm, clean contact, which tricks the bike into thinking the SS is being deployed randomly. In the extreme it cuts the ignition, unless you are in neutral. Then, if the engine cuts & the SS is used whilst head scratching at the roadside, the bike restarts, you flick up the SS & off you go again, until next time the contacts bounce/fail. Then there is the wiring, some of which is exposed - has this been checked out thoroughly? Next comes the clutch switch, which again is exposed to the elements - this usually shows itself when you can't start the bike in gear with the clutch pulled in - really annoying if you stall in traffic - but of course has an inter-dependency with the SS switch.

I suggest you/your dealer focus on these two regular culprits before launching off into the unknown. If the ignition switch is failing, I would expect you to lose the dash info, as we see on GSs quite regularly, but I can't recall this being mentioned here.

Good luck.
 

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Thanks Squibb, bikes back, runs worse yay. I paid for that? Sweet. Oh well. Going thru connectors, finding some with what looks like a bit of corrosion. Cleaned clutch switch, still inspecting...


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I had a problem that sounds a lot like what you describe. I replaced the battery, it was due :). This helped the starting issues. Also found a very erratic clutch switch. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it did not. Tested it off the bike and with a volt meter and found it to be very random. I flushed it with contact cleaner and this restored functioning to the switch. No problems since then.
 

GearDriven

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Phreeddom, I'm on a '13 with 56,000 miles with same troubles. Got so bad today I dropped it at the dealer for the recall. It was running very rough as if water in the gas. Been doing this very intermittently, with the 19 code and hard start issue. Today went to a whole new level when I could barely do 25 mph. Limped it to a parking lot, stalled, then began running OK and drove 30 miles home to dealer. Nerve racking (busy highway). I recently took the side stand switch apart, the inside looked surprising/disappointing clean. Dealer will have my bike for at least a week, I'll update with the outcome. Dealer was careful to note that the recall symptoms don't match mine and it may not be the fix. I also ran fuel treatment initially thinking it was bad gas. Next move will be to pull apart all the relevant connectors, check for corrosion and protect with ACF-50....should have done this already I know.
To close out my poor/rough running and intermittent code 19 no start issue. Turns out there were two separate causes. The rough running water in gas type behavior was due to corrosion on/around spark plugs. Plugs had less than 10k miles but salt water must have gotten into the outter two plug holes. In addition to rust, saw evidence of arcing on the plug connector. I replaced both outboard plugs and caps/coils. Also coated everything with dielectric grease. Rough running gone, intermittent code 19 remained. Fixed that problem by flushing ignition key hole with electrical contact cleaner, blew out with compressed air, then generously applied ACF50. I had applied a graphite liquid lock lube a couple times in the past, I saw it flush out with the cleaner. Won't be using it again there. I'm extremely confident issues were fixed by this, 2,000+ miles later bike is running GREAT at 60k. Contemplated getting a Gen II, but instead I'll reflash with an Arrow header. It's been such a great bike. New rear shock might also be on the horizon.

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