Engine Braking

[SuckSqueezeBangBlow]

I have read a lot of posts about people talking about there being a lot of engine braking on the S10. What do you mean by this? Are you talking about gearing down and letting out the clutch? Or just not coasting well in Neutral? How is it different in S vs T?
Thanks.

 

[holligl]

I have read a lot of posts about people talking about there being a lot of engine braking on the S10. What do you mean by this? Are you talking about gearing down and letting out the clutch? Or just not coasting well in Neutral? How is it different in S vs T?
Thanks.

Shutting off the throttle all the way is about like hitting the brakes, it slows down pretty fast. It is more pronounced in the sport mode. You have to learn to adjust the wrist action to smooth the deceleration. Some of us have had the ECU reprogrammed to reduce the hard braking. Others simply get their wrists calibrated.

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[Sierra1]

It refers to when you roll off of the throttle, regardless of gear, the engine compression slows the rear wheel. I'm always in "S", so I can't advise the difference. This bike has heavy engine braking....I love it , and use it. It does take getting used to, but once you do, you'll find that your riding style just blends it in. It took me a couple of thousand miles to realize that with the amount of engine braking the bike produces, it only takes a light touch on the front brake lever to slow it down.

 

[SuckSqueezeBangBlow]

Thanks for the explanation...

 

[Jlq1969]

I think that maybe, the drive shaft has something to do too. The chain transmission absorbs that shock. I can not remove cruiser using the breake i have to use clucht, so that my wife will not hit me more my helmet

 

[EricV]

I think that maybe, the drive shaft has something to do too. The chain transmission absorbs that shock. I can not remove cruiser using the break i have to use clutch, so that my wife will not hit me more my helmet

It's more due to two large pistons and how the Yamaha engineers programed the ECU. For example, my shaft drive FJR1300 had very little engine braking. 4 smaller pistons for nearly the same displacement.

 

[HeliMark]

I think that maybe, the drive shaft has something to do too. The chain transmission absorbs that shock. I can not remove cruiser using the breake i have to use clucht, so that my wife will not hit me more my helmet

The Harley's are good in absorbing the "shock" with the belt drive.

I like the engine breaking. I just use the throttle in reverse, so to speak, to slow down, along with downshifting. I will also slightly press the brake in traffic, to get the brake light on so the vehicles behind me are aware that I am slowing.

 

[thughes317]

I will also slightly press the brake in traffic, to get the brake light on so the vehicles behind me are aware that I am slowing.

An excellent point to remember! You can woah-down the S10 in a hurry with engine braking alone but you may find a very surprised cager running up dangerously close behind you if you make this a habit in traffic without dragging the brakes slightly to active the brake light. We old timers are aware of this, just wanted to point this out to any freshman riders perusing this thread.

 

[Edbo1960]

I added the Ardmore brake/signal light bar with smart technology to signal slowing down without hitting the brake (abrupt engine braking) seems to work well.

https://admorelighting.com/product/admore-light-bar-smart-brake-technology-deceleration-safety/

Now that I have the reflash, not as much of an issue.

 

[Sierra1]

Getting "rear-ended" is #2 on the motorcycle crash list; second only to the fail to yield right of way turning left. Depending on traffic flow, I'm always ready to move left/right when making an unexpected quick slow/stop. You can't hit me, if I'm not there anymore.

 

[jjc1957]

I have been out with other motorcycles and they have complained on how fast I can slow down without any bake light coming on. Now I do the same and touch the rear brake even if I don't need it when riding in a group.

 

[Bigbore4]

Another one here that flicks the brake lever on decel. While watching the mirror! The really slow dramatically, especially when you gear down. I even flick the lever while sitting at a light with a foot down, at least until there is a vehicle stopped behind me.

 

[EricV]

I do the same with the brake light. It's a good habit.

At stops, especially off ramps, I am super vigilant about traffic behind me, even when there is another car behind me. I WATCH my rear the entire time until I'm moving. I've seen too many multi-car pile ups on off ramps when that last car slams into the one in front and pushes several cars together. Like Sierra1 I have an escape route planned and am aimed for it, ready to go the best direction possible, left or right depending on the conditions.

In regards to engine braking, if you ever ride with someone on a Maxi Scooter, holy cow! They have huge engine braking. I really had to watch the scooter in front of me on one ride and give him extra room. No brake light and he would just drop speed like he tossed out an anchor when he rolled off throttle. I politely talked to him about it, suggesting what we have talked about here, no change in behavior.

 

[SHUMBA]

An excellent point to remember! You can woah-down the S10 in a hurry with engine braking alone but you may find a very surprised cager running up dangerously close behind you if you make this a habit in traffic without dragging the brakes slightly to active the brake light. We old timers are aware of this, just wanted to point this out to any freshman riders perusing this thread.

Thanks for that, as I will take delivery of my new 2018 Super tenere in April (I hope).
I rode an Africa Twin for two seasons, chain drive, now the S-Ten will be my first shaft and largest cc displacement. When I am slowing or about to stop, I always use my finger on the front brake to activate the brake light, along with leaving the bike in first gear and with enough space to escape in the event of a car etc. rear-ending me.
SHUMBA


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[Dirt_Dad]

I WATCH my rear the entire time until I'm moving.

Not to be slightly off topic, but checking your rear is also very important anytime you're turning left. I don't trust anyone behind me not to be passing (legal or not). Last thing I want to do is turn broadside to them.

My wife is aggressive with the engine braking in the twisties. I hear her Tenere revving away through the bluetooth in those situations. Not that she's going super fast, but she appreciates the control engine braking gives her without needing to brake. No carbon build up on her engine.

 

[SHUMBA]

Not to be slightly off topic, but checking your rear is also very important anytime you're turning left. I don't trust anyone behind me not to be passing (legal or not). Last thing I want to do is turn broadside to them.

My wife is aggressive with the engine braking in the twisties. I hear her Tenere revving away through the bluetooth in those situations. Not that she's going super fast, but she appreciates the control engine braking gives her without needing to brake. No carbon build up on her engine.

Oh yes, left turns. Well, let me tell ya. If you're turning left, the onus is squarely upon you to conduct the left turn without interfering with 1) oncoming traffic 2) pedestrians 3) vehicles passing on your left whether legally or not. And where we live, Ontario, Canada that's the law!!!
SHUMBA

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[VRODE]

After coming off an in-line four, it was a totally different engine characteristic. Rolling off the throttle in S mode felt like I threw out an anchor. I was only using my brakes to stop. I found I was using the throttle to control acceleration and most deceleration. Doable but I found it annoying at the end of a long day. The ECU flash took care of that and the bike is easier to ride for me.

 

[SHUMBA]

After coming off an in-line four, it was a totally different engine characteristic. Rolling off the throttle in S mode felt like I threw out an anchor. I was only using my brakes to stop. I found I was using the throttle to control acceleration and most deceleration. Doable but I found it annoying at the end of a long day. The ECU flash took care of that and the bike is easier to ride for me.

Does the ECU flash interfere with the one year warranty??
SHUMBA

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[HeliMark]

Does the ECU flash interfere with the one year warranty??
SHUMBA

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Not sure about Canada, but in the U.S., no. Most dealers would not know you have flashed the ECU. Here, they would have to prove that the flash caused the problem.

 

[SHUMBA]

Not sure about Canada, but in the U.S., no. Most dealers would not know you have flashed the ECU. Here, they would have to prove that the flash caused the problem.

Thanks for that, Canada is not known for strict adherence to warranty issues unless it is a common problem complaint with numerous owners.
SHUMBA

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