Citizen Initiation of violation.
- Thread starter FredBGG
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I asked a county deputy and he told me if I brought in a dash or helmet video of a jerk throwing fast food trash in the road he would issue a warrant. GPS may not be necessary if landmarks make the location obvious and probably the word of the camera operator will suffice.
Think about it..it sounds like a good idea on the surface but its kinda scary....do we really want Joe citizen to now be the police...it would only be a matter of time before every stupid little violation would be caught on video and reported to the authorities. Just seems a bit "1984" to me.....
That aside do the courts really need to be inundated with citizens presenting video because someone rolled through a stop sign or cut someone off..
Sorry just not the world I want to live in.....
That aside do the courts really need to be inundated with citizens presenting video because someone rolled through a stop sign or cut someone off..
Sorry just not the world I want to live in.....
Sorry but only one thing comes to mind
https://youtu.be/9efgLHgsBmM
https://youtu.be/9efgLHgsBmM
Madhatter
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fred, thats not illegal , a driver does what he has to do to do the job... i assume there are houses on that street,utilities that serve those homes, well they just didnt get there by them selves.. that truck driver is doing a fine job for what i see... sounds like you just dont like being behind slower vehicles...and i bet that driver really didnt want to have to manuver that rig down that street, but thats what his job demanded of him that day... every thing we have and or enjoy was delivered by a truck, and some over worked and often cussed at driver has to take the abuse of car drivers and other spoiled ..... well i could go on, but that ass hat probably had a name for the guy blowing his ...............
^ I agree with this. The driver may have gone a little wide on that turn but with the length of that trailer he wouldn't have made that curve if he hadn't crossed over center to negotiate it. Don't see a ticket there myself. I'd rather see them ticket the what seems like 8 out of 10 drivers texting on their damn phone and leave the truck drivers alone. For the most part truck drivers are just doing a job and usually much better at driving than most of the cagers.
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I can see the letter now . . .
Dear Officer Fred. Your Citizen Violation has resulted in the XYZ Trucking and Construction Company successfully filing suit against this County Department and winning a judgement for legal fees, lost employee time, the time of employees waiting for delivery of the construction equipment on the truck after you stopped it to obtain the identity of the driver (something you were not empowered to do), and "Good Will" damages to the value of that company. Attorneys for XYZ based their case in your neglect of Sections 21650(e) and 21650(f) of the California Vehicle Code, which state:
21650. Upon all highways, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right
half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the
same direction under the rules governing that movement.
(b) When placing a vehicle in a lawful position for, and when the
vehicle is lawfully making, a left turn.
(c) When the right half of a roadway is closed to traffic under
construction or repair.
(d) Upon a roadway restricted to one-way traffic.
(e) When the roadway is not of sufficient width.
(f) When the vehicle is necessarily traveling so slowly as to
impede the normal movement of traffic, that portion of the highway
adjacent to the right edge of the roadway may be utilized temporarily
when in a condition permitting safe operation.
As the judge found that these Sections are basic vehicle code, your violation was found to be frivolous. Therefore, you will be billed for all costs which the County has incurred.
Dear Officer Fred. Your Citizen Violation has resulted in the XYZ Trucking and Construction Company successfully filing suit against this County Department and winning a judgement for legal fees, lost employee time, the time of employees waiting for delivery of the construction equipment on the truck after you stopped it to obtain the identity of the driver (something you were not empowered to do), and "Good Will" damages to the value of that company. Attorneys for XYZ based their case in your neglect of Sections 21650(e) and 21650(f) of the California Vehicle Code, which state:
21650. Upon all highways, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right
half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the
same direction under the rules governing that movement.
(b) When placing a vehicle in a lawful position for, and when the
vehicle is lawfully making, a left turn.
(c) When the right half of a roadway is closed to traffic under
construction or repair.
(d) Upon a roadway restricted to one-way traffic.
(e) When the roadway is not of sufficient width.
(f) When the vehicle is necessarily traveling so slowly as to
impede the normal movement of traffic, that portion of the highway
adjacent to the right edge of the roadway may be utilized temporarily
when in a condition permitting safe operation.
As the judge found that these Sections are basic vehicle code, your violation was found to be frivolous. Therefore, you will be billed for all costs which the County has incurred.
Madhatter
Well-Known Member
no spotter needed, trash can was(more often than not) like a lot around here on the edge of road... drivers are not required to have spotters to drive down the road... he the driver can be liable for an accident, and the other driver has the resposibility to avoid an accident or can be held as liable as well... just looking at picture suggest that is a slow road guessing 35mph tops i bet he was 20 under that.... just so you no, im no expert but accident free over 38 years 3 million plus miles all in a class A vehicle.... sometimes im not in my lane, its what you have to do to get the job done... and i bet he didnt want to be on that road any more than you did...but he was doing his job...ive had cops follow me and manuvered my vehicle about as your photo shows , no issues or sitations.... ever.... we may not agree and thats ok , but come drive my truck and if you can show me a better way ill do it...if my text suggest attitude i apologize , not meant to be .... but ive spent 10 hrs in austin texas traffic dealing with class C drivers who dont have a clue... wonder how many of them would want to write me a ticket..and if we are going to be able to write citations , i could write thousands just on the cars who cut me off, thats illegal in Texas... peace to you....
KentuckyFredBGG said:
Madhatter
Well-Known Member
the driver is ,again within his rights to get that truck to his destination. and use the road available to do so. i also said the driver could be liable if there was an accident and also a driver who saw but did nothing to help avoid an accident is liable... you can be right but dead , i was in my lane and the truck was in my lane so i hit him. when it can be avoided by one party but they choose not to they can be liable as well.. Fred you are a passionate person i think, and you believe you are right. and as a driver i know what has to be done to do that job... maybe if i could suggest that before 150 million drivers start writing each other tickets you could put your self for a moment in that drivers seat ,and if he got the can,i believe you, he should pay for the can... and did he run into any one as you followed him? so he made it where he was going,and he killed one trash can, not perfect, and some one should talk to him and see why he killed the can... may be something that you cant see from the bikes level, over head wire forced him wider than he expected to have to do..he has to look forward,and his right hand mirror to see where his trailer is, and left hand mirror to see where you are, and look up to see what he might knock down(maybe he thought that the cable and electric lines was more important than a trash can)and down the road to see what might be coming his way.... you were inconvenienced and a home owner lost a trash can, he was able to pay his bills that week....and every time an expierenced driver leaves he gets replaced by a rookie....it takes 5 years before a driver has the knowledge and expierence to survive these roads and as a professional driver , i want expierience in that truck... my job is to deliver what you need in a safe and proficient way, and at the end of the day if i only killed a trash can then it was a good day...and my job is to train up new guys so they can survive and we all thrive... peace to you...
Madhatter
Well-Known Member
you have a lot of what ifs... the driver can use what ever part of road he needs to manuver down road....it happens all the time with out incident...i see the car you see the car approaching , i bet the car sees the truck , and at about 15mph im sure the driver will stop before collision......fred i wish we were close enough to sit down together and have a cup of coffee over this, we might not ever agree, but we could have a spirited debate...hey we are.... the topic of civilian right to initiate a citation on percieved violation is one i think will cause nothing but grief for all parties invovled , even trained law enforcement get the law wrong at times, so how can untrained civilians do any thing but creat a legal nightmare for all involved? one time a trooper pulled me over for the intent to cite me for passing in a no passing area(double yellow line)i passed a garbage truck who was driving slowly down the paved shoulder... officer said because of double yellow line this was a no passing area... i said no, you have the law wrong(are you susprised)the law says you cannot cross the double yellow line inorder to pass.(and i had not, was within the lane)the law also says a vehicle in the paved shoulder is considered parked,even if its traveling at 50mph...i informed the officer , he argued his point ,we discussed this for awhile...i did not recieve a ticket...he was a new out of academy, his training officer finally set him straight.... and on the road you point out the double yellow line means the same, but there is no possible way that driver can maintain his lane and get to his job site..( i told the new dps trooper that the next car that was stopped or broke down on paved shoulder i would park my truck next to it till they came and removed the vehicle so i would not violate the law,thats when it dawned on him he might have got this wrong... in texas people some times pull to right on paved shoulder to let faster traffic by, a nice gesture but makes them liable for any accident that might create. go find you a driver talk to him about his trade, what its like for him,his expierences maybe do a ride along.... enjoy your saturday, my boss said i have to work today, ill try and stay in my lane...peace to you..