Re: Car tire?
@Andy - I think that's what ChecksWrecks is talking about taking over to the debate area. It's not really adding to the topic, just stirring the pot.
@Fred - while I do use peg weighting techniques in my riding, and did with the CT mounted on the FJR, with equal effectiveness, I don't think "peg stomping" is a valid method for steering a motorcycle, simply something left over from light dirt bike days and poor technique for steet use. Countersteering does turn the bike, and I don't think you're debating that. But hey, I don't "hang off" on the street either.
Much of the problem with this topic is the most strident posters against it, don't actually have any significant experience doing it. Science, um yeah, if you believe any automotive 'expert' has knowledge of using a CT on a motorcycle, you might want to ask them, because they don't. I have yet to meet or speak to one that had done any testing of CTs on Motorcycles, so they lack any real info or experience, just have the same opinion and problems as other detractors, can't see out of the box they are in with only using the 'correct' application.
The point of using a CT, is that no, read that as zero, motorcycle tire manufacturers, offer long life tires that are comparable to the wear we normally expect from a car tire on a car. I got very comparable tread life with the moto application as with a auto application, using the same tire. If there were moto tires that got 40k miles on the rear, this would be a moot subject. That moto users have accepted the BS that 10k, or often less, is acceptable is partly to blame.
What many of you "think" simply doesn't pan out in real world use. I know that, simply because I've actually done it, used the CT on a moto and explored those issues. Cut apart tires after useful life to see if there is sidewall damage, (none), and cut apart tires with sidewall damage from running flat on motos, as well as car tires with sidewall damage from running flat on cars, (pretty much the same damage, a bit less on the moto application, probably just from less weight on the tire).
I'm not "all that" as a rider. I'm decently skilled. Funny thing though, every rider that talks about poor handling on a CT, can't keep up with me in the twisty bits when I'm not even trying to lose them, just riding The Pace and enjoying myself at legal speeds. This is not bragging that I'm such a good rider. It's simply an illustration that the CT is not a limiting factor. Yes, It's different. Yes, you will lose that wonderful thought controlled steering effect of a set of new moto tires and never have that with a CT. And go figure, not all CTs are suitable for moto use. Just as some are better handling than others. To judge a CT experience from one tire on one bike does not give a complete picture. You wouldn't do that from one moto tire and then say all moto tires sucked, would you? You would say the tire sucked, and try another. Yet ever person that ever rode "some friends bike with a CT" always thinks they now know all there is to know. :question:
