BMW recall 440,000 bikes....moments of appreciation

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When you have clients more expert than the manufacturer and run a communication to reassure other clients...ir says this is not a recall but simply a service "suggestion" meaning it is not unsafe.....something like "nice to have"...I don't get it honestly...if the shaft brakes or gets stuck your ass will be suggested to the tarmac or rocks on offroad which is not nice to have...

this is why BMW is doing and charging what they are currently doing and charging..
 
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Hmmm…. He sounds like he’s a BMW owner in denial.
Mind you, he did say it only affects the Liquid Cooled bikes, so isn’t condensation and water inside the drive shaft cover a form of liquid cooling too? ;)
well I guess it should be for owners with liquid in their brain too!
 

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When you have clients more expert than the manufacturer and run a communication to reassure other clients...ir says this is not a recall but simply a service "suggestion" meaning it is not unsafe.....something like "nice to have"...I don't get it honestly...if the shaft brakes or gets stuck your ass will be suggested to the tarmac or rocks on offroad which is not nice to have...

this is why BMW is doing and charging what they are currently doing and charging..
What I don’t understand is, “Why is there a rubber boot in the middle of the the BMW driveshaft enclosure?” Compare that poor engineering/design to the rock solid Super Tenere design! Duh! What am I not seeing?
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Well I am probably kicking the hornets nest here but here goes. BMW has sold a shit load of their bikes. We have sold so few, that the s10 is discontinued in Europe and from what I have read the US is soon to follow. I would also like to add they are stepping up on this one. Furthermore the repair does not seem to that complicate. Of course who is to say it actually fixes the problem.

BMW will be retroactively modifying the models R 1200 GS and R 1250 GS produced between 2013 and 2021 by retrofitting of a ventilation valve to the cardan shaft. “

I dare say there will be a BMW GS for decades to come. I am not sure the same can be said for our beloved and highly under rated S10.
 

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The S10 is discontinued in Europe because it didn’t meet the latest emission regulations, so those who have an S10 are tending to hold on to them and there are precious few on the pre-owned market.

One reason why the S10 never took off was Yamaha’s marketing strategy. There were none in the showrooms, you had to place a deposit and buy sight unseen. The only place you could view them was online and you certainly couldn’t get a test ride! Over here, the S10 was a slow burner, difficult to find and perhaps the pricing was a little on the high side. The S10 was built to compete with BMWs GS but when the S10 was launched, BMW went and gave the GS more power. The fact that it was a mere handful was irrelevant, the U.K. biking press made such a fuss about the extra horse power and the GS being the best thing since sliced bread, and giving it universal press coverage that the S10 didn’t stand A chance. A U.K. magazine, RIDE, did a test back in about 2018 and they called it “the most exclusive adventure bike out there” and positively raved about it. Alas, it was too little too late and by then, the S10s fate was sealed.

But whose having the last laugh now? ;)
 

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There may well be a GS for many years. I think it's important to remember that quality and popularity aren't mutually inclusive. People love things for a myriad of reasons that have nothing to do with how well (or how poorly) a product performs. I've often said that the S10 undersells because it was positioned to fill a void that didn't really exist. Too expensive to be a budget ADV bike, and close enough to the price of a bike with more status, like the aforementioned GS, that it was easy to talk yourself into financing the extra money to get the bike that has that "it" factor. Harley didn't outsell all the Japanese cruisers because it was better; they just identified their target market and knew exactly how to appeal to them for about 30 years. Japanese bikes were objectively better, at a better price, and it didn't matter. You could point out all the ways that a Vulcan or a Drifter were better than a Road King, and be totally correct, and still sit by and watch while HD sold 250,000 bikes a year during the 2000's. I know because I bought one of them, and a big reason for buying one was because I just wanted to see what all the hype was about. That's good marketing, not good quality.

As to BMW stepping up, I'd say look objectively at the span of dates that are affected by the service bulletin. They go back to 2013, almost 10 years ago. So either these problems came to BMW's notice recently in one fell swoop, or else they've been seeing evidence of it for years and chose not to act until now. Based on their past actions with final drive failures and fork separation, I lean more towards the explanation that they've had prior notice, but didn't choose to act until some outside pressure forced them to take action or else suffer some bad press and a resulting loss of sales.

I'll paraphrase Maya Angelou here: When a giant multinational corporation shows you who they are, believe them.
 

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Well I am probably kicking the hornets nest here but here goes. BMW has sold a shit load of their bikes. We have sold so few, that the s10 is discontinued in Europe and from what I have read the US is soon to follow. I would also like to add they are stepping up on this one. Furthermore the repair does not seem to that complicate. Of course who is to say it actually fixes the problem.

BMW will be retroactively modifying the models R 1200 GS and R 1250 GS produced between 2013 and 2021 by retrofitting of a ventilation valve to the cardan shaft. “

I dare say there will be a BMW GS for decades to come. I am not sure the same can be said for our beloved and highly under rated S10.
True...I guess we are wrong as most other drivers bought the GS ‍♂
 

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Well consider the Hornets Nest kicked, I voted with my dollars. I own a S10 and will keep it as long as it’s feasible.

I just feel that our constant BMW bashing is pure hu·bris, giving our precariously position in the market.
 

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The S10 is discontinued in Europe because it didn’t meet the latest emission regulations, so those who have an S10 are tending to hold on to them and there are precious few on the pre-owned market.

One reason why the S10 never took off was Yamaha’s marketing strategy. There were none in the showrooms, you had to place a deposit and buy sight unseen. The only place you could view them was online and you certainly couldn’t get a test ride! Over here, the S10 was a slow burner, difficult to find and perhaps the pricing was a little on the high side. The S10 was built to compete with BMWs GS but when the S10 was launched, BMW went and gave the GS more power. The fact that it was a mere handful was irrelevant, the U.K. biking press made such a fuss about the extra horse power and the GS being the best thing since sliced bread, and giving it universal press coverage that the S10 didn’t stand A chance. A U.K. magazine, RIDE, did a test back in about 2018 and they called it “the most exclusive adventure bike out there” and positively raved about it. Alas, it was too little too late and by then, the S10s fate was sealed.

But whose having the last laugh now? ;)
I think the other factors were weight (everyone "specialised" press made a big issue out of it) as well as the power....
 

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Ha, I believe my S10 just got a new name!
That name came about after so many on this forum complaining about her being too heavy . . . . too slow . . . . and not enough HP. Sounds like a Brontosaurus to me, so . . . . Thunder Lizard it is. Still my favorite bike ever, with zero changes.
 

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Well consider the Hornets Nest kicked, I voted with my dollars. I own a S10 and will keep it as long as it’s feasible.

I just feel that our constant BMW bashing is pure hu·bris, giving our precariously position in the market.
Was not really bashing but just reading the news vs some clients reaction...I do care about BMW owners more than they do themselves as when I read such news I feel bad for the way they are treated...
I am not super duper proud of my S10....it is a bike that does the job for me and I leave it there...I am not making a social status out of it...it is a just bike...a reliable one so much that I do not think about bikes...or repair shops for that matter...

I don't care if it gets discontinued....sometimes it takes humans a long cycle to get it right...like food: we used to eat bio and organic then the food industry took over for decades and now we are going back to bio food with higher price tag because it was a mistake....
 

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"....As to BMW stepping up, I'd say look objectively at the span of dates that are affected by the service bulletin. They go back to 2013, almost 10 years ago. So either these problems came to BMW's notice recently in one fell swoop, or else they've been seeing evidence of it for years and chose not to act until now.
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They increased the prices and billed old and new customers to collect the needed funds to run such recall...so it is the customers who are paying at the beginning and at the end...
 

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. . . . As to BMW stepping up, I'd say look objectively at the span of dates that are affected by the service bulletin. They go back to 2013, almost 10 years ago. So either these problems came to BMW's notice recently in one fell swoop, or else they've been seeing evidence of it for years and chose not to act until now. Based on their past actions with final drive failures and fork separation, I lean more towards the explanation that they've had prior notice, but didn't choose to act until some outside pressure forced them to take action or else suffer some bad press and a resulting loss of sales. . . .
Yup. No doubt about it.
 

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Point taken. It’s just business. Even Yamaha makes its decisions based on profit.
Profit itself is not an issue...it is not "yamama Teresa", but it is completely unacceptable and dishonnest to screw the clients up down left right and not fix their issues
 

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I'm not sure why owning a bike that has a lesser market position than BMW would negate a person's objectivity in forming an opinion about how a company does business.

I agree that BMW bashing is pointless, but I don't agree that pointing out questionable ways that a company does business equates to bashing. If someone says "all BMWs suck and they can't make a decent bike and only rich poseurs ride them", then I tend to write that person off, the same way that I write off a guy who does the standard "all Hardly Ablesons leak oil and are all ridden by cosplaying orthodontists". On the other hand, if I read an account by a guy who owned a BMW and can provide a detailed account of those trials and tribulations of ownership, and couple that with a lot of other accounts that contain actual facts (as opposed to bloviating), then you have to make a deliberate choice not to listen to those accounts. That's the opposite of bashing; it's cultism.
 
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