Anyone know if the 2020 will be updated?

EricV

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It seems a lot of us forget that the Tenere is not a cheap bike, it should have the features matching the price.
And it does. What bike of the same price do you feel has features the S10 should have? The V-Strom 1000 is not comparable. If I wanted a chain drive bike, then I'd go buy one. You can't compare a cheaper bike with some additional features that lacks a main feature of the Super Ten, Shaft Drive. For that matter, you can't compare any other chain drive bike to a shaft drive bike. If you eliminate the cost of producing the shaft drive then tossing extra features at a bike isn't apples to apples.

Could Yamaha build a cheaper bike with more features? Sure. You'd end up with a FJ07 looking bike with more 'stuff' and the same price as you pay now for a much more capable S10.
 

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Even the V Strom 1000 gets an updated ABS system with a 5 axis IMU bike positioning feature
& its only $14,600

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Jus to clarify......I wasnt comparing a Strom 1000 to the Ten.... Only stating that Suzy added the more complex 5 axis ABS without raising the price much..if any

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It seems a lot of us forget that the Tenere is not a cheap bike, it should have the features matching the price.
No....it's not cheap. But, in my opinion, the price IS reasonable for the features. Often used features. The FJR is $1,800.00 more for very similar features. To me, the big difference between the two is more HP & plastic. More features, that I don't use much....if ever....doesn't do me any good. I'm betting that in this class, the Tenere has one of the lowest cost per mile. Remember, I'm a cheap skate.
 

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EricV this used to be a nice polite forum. If you feel it necessary to dis my ability or riding style my condolences.
The S10 is a great bike, could use a little more go that’s all I was saying. I understand it’s engine’s design but thanks for explaining it to me. It is underwhelming at best but stone solid. Ride a spirited ride with a bunch of GSs, not that I want a beemer, and you’ll understand where I’m coming from. Not saying the S10 needs to be a race bike but a bit more go wouldn’t be bad.
 

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It seems a lot of us forget that the Tenere is not a cheap bike, it should have the features matching the price.
One of my old saws about the S10 is that it suffers from being in the middle of everything. There's a bike or two better on road, others better off road, others cheaper, and others more blinged out. The only category is wins in is being well-balanced, which reviewers don't care about.

I was waiting for the genII VStrom to debut when I was in the market to buy a new bike. I'd decided that if the big Vee got a shaft drive, I'd pre-order one. It didn't, so I didn't. That sent me to the S10.

IIRC, at the time the S10 was MSRP something around $13k. The GS was near $20, the Triumph $16. That made the S10 the bargain among the big shaft bikes.

The VStrom was something like mid-10's I think - maybe $11k. I don't remember, BUT I remember the S10 was priced a thou or 2 MORE than the VStrom. With the larger displacement, cruise, shaft - it was just more bike and this seemed justifiable.

It seems like the VStrom is closing the price gap. That just seems to make the S10 even moreso the "more bike for your money" choice, doesn't it?
 

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EricV this used to be a nice polite forum. If you feel it necessary to dis my ability or riding style my condolences.
The S10 is a great bike, could use a little more go that’s all I was saying. I understand it’s engine’s design but thanks for explaining it to me. It is underwhelming at best but stone solid. Ride a spirited ride with a bunch of GSs, not that I want a beemer, and you’ll understand where I’m coming from. Not saying the S10 needs to be a race bike but a bit more go wouldn’t be bad.
I'm sorry you took my suggestion to learn to ride smoother as a Dis. Consider riding alone and not with a group. If that's not fun for you, ask yourself why you are riding. I've ridden with a wide variety of other bikes including the GS in a spirited manner. It's not the bike, it's the rider. That's not a slam against you. It's a comment based on the reality of riding on the street. Riding smooth is riding fast. Power rarely has anything to do with it.

In regards to the 2020 Super Ten, Yamaha could easily add the following features w/o spending a lot of money to do it or changing the MSRP much, if at all.

ABS off switch, (that can be used on the fly)
Changing the TCS to on the fly capable.
TFT display, (simply because they are already using these on other bikes)

None of these things would make me want to buy a new S10. I wouldn't mind the TCS switchable on the fly, but it's not a big enough issue for me to add that myself. The other two items would not improve my riding experience.

I consider the Gen II windscreen a failure in that the adjuster pushes the screen too far forward and causes buffeting. I took mine off and went back to the Gen I design. Gen III should have an adjustable windscreen that is actually designed to work with the fairing and rider. Not just a tacked on part. Better yet, one that can easily be adjusted with one hand. That is one feature I like about the GS. And while I miss the power adjustable windscreen of the FJR, I think it would be out of place and add too much weight and cost on the S10.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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The 14,600 Suzy gets for the Strom 1000 XT Adv includes alloy side cases...crash guards...a skid plate & a taller shield

All xtras on the Ten

But ...Im still glad Strom #8 for me....was actually a 2013 Ten....(I still have DL650 #7.... & now a 14 Ten)

The Yammy tall screen on stock adj mount works fine for me (6'2") with a Puig wing added

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I'd love to see an update just to bring the old girl up to date but how many years did Yamaha take to get the 700 in the dealers after showing the concept bike? If they announced an update to the S10 tomorrow I wouldn't expect to be able to buy one until 2022.

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The dealers wait til the big industry shows to announce major new models and upgrades. For example, I believe Moto Guzzi leaked the existence of the V85 but the AIMExpo was the first chance to see one. I don't think Yam has used AIMExpo as the venue to announce big model updates in the past but it IS their first opportunity, so we will see what happens this week. If you are able to make the show, it's a fun one.

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Because of some developing arthritis in my left hand, a slipper/assist clutch would be a welcome addition. If I was presently in the market for a new bike, the Honda Africa Twin with the DCT would be on my list of possible replacements. The only thing I wish I had on my Gen1 is cruise control. Everything else I can live without.
 

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And it does. What bike of the same price do you feel has features the S10 should have? The V-Strom 1000 is not comparable. If I wanted a chain drive bike, then I'd go buy one. You can't compare a cheaper bike with some additional features that lacks a main feature of the Super Ten, Shaft Drive. For that matter, you can't compare any other chain drive bike to a shaft drive bike. If you eliminate the cost of producing the shaft drive then tossing extra features at a bike isn't apples to apples.

Could Yamaha build a cheaper bike with more features? Sure. You'd end up with a FJ07 looking bike with more 'stuff' and the same price as you pay now for a much more capable S10.
Shaft drive is one feature, an important one. Unfortunately shaft drive options in this class are limited to the R12*0GS and Triumph's 1200. I doubt shaft drive adds a significant cost to the bike, but is rather a design choice. I wish there were more bikes with shaft drive, but this is our reality.

If we want to compare what else is out there, forgetting about shaft drive, I give you the KTM 1290 Adventure S. For $2.5k USD more than the ST you get the following:

- 160HP
- Gorgeous and massive TFT display with cell phone integration
- Semi-active suspension
- LED headlight
- Cornering ABS and traction control
- Brembo brakes
- 530lbs wet
- Slipper clutch
- Keyless start

Saying that, KTM reliability leaves something to be desired. If reliability was even somewhat equivalent I would be willing to skip the shaft drive for everything else.
 
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Glad I'm a boring ol' fart that doesn't care how green the other grass is. The Tenere is what you make of it. If a GS leaves me on a "spirited" ride….that RIDER is better than I am....not the bike. I THINK that shaft drive cost more to manufacture....but ends being cheaper over time/miles; a good $100.00 each time you replace the chain & sprockets. On the other hand I KNOW that chain drive has less parasitic loss than shaft drive. So....pick your poison.
 

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To more than one person -
One of the problems with writing is that words can be taken in a different context than they were written or meant to say.
There is no need to respond to every post.
Thanks
CW
 

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I would like to see:
up/down quickshifter,
LED headlights,
rear ABS off switch,
Traction control changing while riding.
These should not really increase the cost of the bike

I know this might seem insignificant:
better use of under seat areas for storage.

Not really needed:
TFT colour display

if they upgrade the ECU, then they will probably add the TFT Screen
so if they upgrade the ECU they should add 6-axis ABS/TSC as well.
These will cost us!
Yes to all of these, and perhaps a little bit larger tank.
 

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Yes to all of these, and perhaps a little bit larger tank.
A large tank is usually uncomfortable, when you don't need it. Today there are 2-gallon flat plastic tanks that accommodate them anywhere. I have friends with GS ADV, and others with GS .... When those of the ADVs, tested the GS, they felt more comfortable than in their adv, especially by the size of the tank
 

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A 6 gal fuel tank is jus fine thankya

If anything...increase the engines fuel efficiancy slightly

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Okay, then how about making the reserve 1 gallon instead of 1.5ish gallons? My tank goes onto reserve at 4.6 gallons used. I know this because twice this last weekend I hit reserve and stopped to fill it within a few miles. I have also seen threads on here discussing this. 25% of the tank is a very generous "reserve", somewhere in the range of 50-70 miles, depending on your riding style. A one gallon reserve is still about 17% of the tank. 1 gallon should give you 35-45 miles, again depending on your riding style.
 

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Okay, then how about making the reserve 1 gallon instead of 1.5ish gallons?
You can do this yourself. Pull the fuel pump and just bend the float arm about 1/4" 'down' as it sits in the tank. That will keep the float higher and initiate reserve later when you get to 1 gallon. Some trial and error may be required. I've done this on my Gen I and Gen II.
 

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if not this Fall, Yamaha will be showing a revised Tenere as Euro5 kicks in Jan2020 for new bikes and Jan2021 for existing bikes.
 

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I'm spoiled by the 300+ mile range of my old ST1300, so I would welcome more fuel capacity. I once went over 350 miles on my ST13 and it still had about 2-4 tenths of a gallon left. Having filled completely empty tanks (there are two) before, I know it can take the full rated 7.7 gallons. Not sure if it is all useable but based on that one experience I think it's pretty close.

I once put 6.1 gallons into my Super Tenere and it was still running when I arrived at the fuel station.
 
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