ABS brakes reduce fatalities 31% compared to same bike without...

[TheHelios]

??? ??? Stubbled across this thread while looking into ABS statistics.... I don't bother with this place anymore,

Lawl, you remove all your old posts, swear this place off yet check it nearly every day, and your first single post in a month is to criticize Shrek.


Well, seeing as it is technically, now, your first post, ::004::

 

[GearheadGrrrl]

The S10 is my second bike with ABS so I've ridden 90K miles with ABS now. I think I've only activated the ABS once, slowing down for a loose dog on the road on the S10 I heard a chirp from the rear tire then the ABS cut in. Got slowed down well before the dog headed for the ditch and I doubt the locked rear wheel would have brought me down. But the ABS has given me the confidence to nail the brakes when without ABS I would have treated the brake lever with considerable respect.

 

[Ramseybella]

Thank you for the clarification.
Guess he needs to go back to motorcycle school for some lessons and tips on riding.

I think after that he's not going to be riding motorcycles again!!
It was clear he was not in touch with the environment around him..
It looked like morning commute time in Florida (palm tree Spanish moss) not fully awake nice morning I'm loving my bike!!
He had lots of space and time to run to the left, but mashed the Oh Sh*t pedal instead when he saw that cars rear end rushing at him.

I have done the same thing in the past and be honest we all had a moment of brain fade on our lovely bikes as well.

I have been riding street over 20+ years and one thing I watch is the guy in front of the guy in front of me and beyond him.
Now with the age of Cell phones we need a third Eye in the back of our heads with A-Holes texting and chatting on the phone pulling up to traffic lights..


ABS is a God send but being alert is what matters.. ::008::

It's Not a matter of if but a matter of when!!

Got to love some of these soulless selfish Millennials!! ???

https://youtu.be/JUIWW370I1I

 

[WJBertrand]

I'll bet that guy ends up telling the "yup, had to lay her down" story.

 

[FredBGG]

Vale drifts his bike all the time, do you think that is good advice for the common rider?
Amazing, I also heard if you lift the little black flappy thingy, you can plug something in, pretty cool.

I'm not getting into a discussion with you.

If anyone wants to know a bit more about using brakes on dirt go to the web there are plenty of good sites that explain it.

Don't listen to the average Joe that thinks he's an expert because he did an MSF course.....

Here is a good start.

http://dirtsoldiersmotocross.com/mx-braking-success/

The Second Pillar
Focus on your front brake. You’ve got two brakes but they’re not the same.
The rear brake only picks up thirty percent of the braking load.
Here’s your mantra – your front brake is for stopping in a hurry, the rear brake is a tool for controlling the bike.
Use it to control slides and direction, and to keep your RPMs in the appropriate powerband.

Practice with and without ABS on the Tenere and practice unlinking the Tenere brakes. Tenere brakes have a lot to offer.

 

[shrekonwheels]

I'm not getting into a discussion with you.

If anyone wants to know a bit more about using brakes on dirt go to the web there are plenty of good sites that explain it.

Don't listen to the average Joe that thinks he's an expert because he did an MSF course.....

Here is a good start.

http://dirtsoldiersmotocross.com/mx-braking-success/

Practice with and without ABS on the Tenere and practice unlinking the Tenere brakes. Tenere brakes have a lot to offer.

Coincidentally I have never been to a MSF school, but they are good for people.

What I have done is been riding for some 40 years now. I grew up on dirt, have been riding on the street for 25 years, have a fair amount of track time and been to a couple of Riding clincs, would do more.

Picture is getting ready for a 38 mild Mountain bike race.

Using the front brake is a great thing, when you know how to ride and have some experience, absolutely your advice is valid, until you do it is always best to use the Kiss method the more novices have to think about, the longer their reaction time.
Far more complex than that, but no need for a discussion. Keep in mind there are people on this board with a incredible amount of Experience, some who are quit accomplished dirt and road track riders, instructors and the like that make mine and your knowledge basic at best

Welcome back.

 

[TXTenere]

What I have done is been riding for some 40 years now. I grew up on dirt, have been riding on the street for 25 years, have a fair amount of track time and been to a couple of Riding clincs, would do more.

For the sake of discussion only, I ask..

So, you've been riding for 40 years. Does that mean you have 40 years of bad habits? Or do you have 1 year of experience 40 times?

In aviation, the field that I work in, the above questions commonly need to be asked. I think they do apply to motorcycle riding to some extent as well.

 

[BaldKnob]

Funny that at 14,000 miles though, my rear pads needed replacing and my front were still at 50%

You can thank the linked brakes for that. I swapped the stock pads (at 14,000mi) for EBC sintered and doubled the life of rear pads.

 

[BaldKnob]

I ride extremely easy and brake extremely easy and have ridden for near 50 years, and this part of the ABS is something that I don't need or want.

How do you have drama riding like this? Have you considered making yourself an off switch? Pretty simple. The TC, not so much but there is a button to push while waiting for temps to come up or the camchain to stop rattling. YMMV

 

[carrot]

when im riding the traction control is always a flashing and the brake levers are always a pulsing its their why not use it. really 14000 miles on the rear pads im lucky if i get 7000

 

[BaldKnob]

when im riding the traction control is always a flashing and the brake levers are always a pulsing its their why not use it

TC has been more beneficial to me than the ABS. While this engine is no fire-breather, it will break traction with aggressive throttle and/or poor road conditions occur. It's nice to hit the apex, apply throttle and not be too concerned about losing the rear end.

 

[carrot]

I agree traction control is great fun especially on gravel i know of this one straight section where i go all out my top speed so far is 102 with the traction control light flashing the whole way and with the yoshi she really sounds like a beast

 

[BaldKnob]

Nothing like doing the "ton" on a dirt road! There is a 3-mile straight, gravel road we ride over here and I try to clear the carbon off the piston tops when conditions allow.

 

[WJBertrand]

For those of you that never activate the ABS, you must be really smooth at braking and never have potholes, bumps and the like ever while braking??? I find no fault with ABS in panic stops, I've had a couple on the Tenere, neither was really panic enough where regular brakes would have not sufficed in my own opinion though. Here is my complaint on ABS, and it happens often, varies by road conditions drastically, and that is in the event any bumps or potholes are encountered during a simple routine stop, if either tire bounces and loses contact with the road, the ABS kicks in immediately and it's just like manually releasing the brakes for what seems like eternity. In reality, probably only a fraction of a second, but that fraction I could be braking and I'm not, then if the wheels hit more bumps, repeat the scenerio. Can make for a real bad encounter. I ride extremely easy and brake extremely easy and have ridden for near 50 years, and this part of the ABS is something that I don't need or want. To me this bad part outweighs the benefits gained with ABS during panic stops.
It's exactly the same scenario on the traction control, hit any bumps or potholes while accelerating, the traction control kicks in and you don't go anywhere for a fraction of a second, hit another bump and repeat. Of course the traction control can be set to less intrusive or even off, but reverts to turned on full with each key cycle.
I wish with ABS if we have to have it, it could be set easy to less intrusive or even off just like the traction control, but have both features stay where set and not revert back every key cycle. That's my take on it at least, I ride other non ABS bikes, hit bumps while braking, no drama, just stop. On the Tenere not so, lots of drama sometimes riding the exact same roads.

I think the reason the ABS activates on bumps is because the tire is either not in contact or barely in contact with the road. Even without ABS, you can't apply much if any braking pressure in that scenario. The reduced contact though, could invite a slide with the non-ABS brakes.

 

[Dogdaze]

I would just like to say this; ABS is here to stay, just have to get used to it, it will be mandatory in EU from 2017 on all bikes over 33kw, and will no doubt be the same for the US soon after. Just like airbags and inertia reel seatbelts, these things save lives, what you or I want as a consumer counts for squat! I'm on the pro-ABS side though.
Now if only you can get the guy behind you to concentrate long enough to stop after you have, that would be a win win situation.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Over the last 8 years I've owned 5 ABS equipped bikes and about the same number of non-ABS bike during the same time. I have felt the ABS kick in countless times. I can usually only tell due to the clicking felt at my right hand or foot. I'll guess roughly 55K miles of ABS riding in all weather, road conditions, range of speeds, and as much off pavement as I get a chance to do.

I have never, not for a moment, ever regretted having ABS. Sure, I have been nervous when it kicks in on a steep muddy downhill, but my discomfort was misplaced as the bike stayed perfectly controllable. While I have no interest in ABS on my smaller dirt oriented bikes, I would not consider a big heavy bike that did not have ABS.

 

[Ramseybella]

No kidding!! :
Easy guys it's not the street fighter forum.. ::005::

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[Philistine]

Seems to me there is a lot of blokes here that rely on the ABS and TC instead of their riding Skills :-\
“let’s grab a handful of brake and squeeze as hard as I can, the ABS will look after me" ::012::
"Let’s hold the throttle flat down this gravel road till I hit the ton the TC will look after me" ::012::
Let’s just hope all that wonderful technology works every time for you! ???
Just my view ::008::

 

[Dogdaze]

Seems to me there is a lot of blokes here that rely on the ABS and TC instead of their riding Skills :-\
“let’s grab a handful of brake and squeeze as hard as I can, the ABS will look after me" ::012::
"Let’s hold the throttle flat down this gravel road till I hit the ton the TC will look after me" ::012::
Let’s just hope all that wonderful technology works every time for you! ???
Just my view ::008::

::026:: I totally agree, only ever had ABS kick in once while riding, manhole cover in hard stop traffic and another time just to 'test' the ABS was working on a quite stretch of open road.

 

[carrot]

Seems to me there is a lot of blokes here that rely on the ABS and TC instead of their riding Skills :-\
“let’s grab a handful of brake and squeeze as hard as I can, the ABS will look after me" ::012::
"Let’s hold the throttle flat down this gravel road till I hit the ton the TC will look after me" ::012::
Let’s just hope all that wonderful technology works every time for you! ???
Just my view ::008::

I agree i probably putting way to much trust in the electronics im not the smartest block around. ::008::