ABS brakes reduce fatalities 31% compared to same bike without...

[pnelson]

Saw this video and article on ABS brakes.
Summary: Statistics on same bike models with and without ABS show those with ABS at 31% lower fatalities. Same study shows 20% fewer accidents with ABS bikes. Bikes with ABS linked brakes (like the Super Tenere) have 31% fewer accidents.

I love the brakes on the Super Tenere and have already passed on some other bikes that would have been nice to have around because I'm liking ABS for both on-road and off-road. It also looks like Europe is about to require all motorcycles, 125 cc and up, sold in the EU to have ABS. I'm guessing that means it will come to all bikes sold here in the US too.
Source >> http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/News/12-11-27/Europe_mandating_anti-lock_brakes_on_motorcycles.aspx

The study >> http://www.iihs.org/iihs/brochures/motorcycle-abs-why-you-want-to-ride-with-it

The video >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzmL6s4dK44

 

[TheHelios]

I've used it so much on my S10 that I can't imagine not having to use it. Sure, I was able to recover every time the rear wheel locked when I had my Ninja 650 but if there's one less thing I need to worry about while riding, then I'll gladly take it.


Edit: Oh look, a video popped up on /r/motorcycles where a biker causes his own accident that could've probably been saved with ABS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXj9ME_DkKM

 

[WJBertrand]

Poor riding skills on full display. At least he appears to be fairly well geared up. Interesting how everyone runs to the bike and leaves the rider sitting there.


-Jeff

 

[carrot]

Wow he took two big hits to the head luckily he was smart enough to be wearing a helmet

 

[shrekonwheels]

I've used it so much on my S10 that I can't imagine not having to use it. Sure, I was able to recover every time the rear wheel locked when I had my Ninja 650 but if there's one less thing I need to worry about while riding, then I'll gladly take it.


Edit: Oh look, a video popped up on /r/motorcycles where a biker causes his own accident that could've probably been saved with ABS:

If you find Yerself using yer abs often, you need to change your riding, look farther up the road, and plan better. MSF class would be wonderful for you.

Rear tires stepping out on sport bikes is common as roughly 90 percent of your stopping power is on the front. That varies per type of bike, so the Tenere is probably 75 percent or so.
A simple rule is front brakes on pavement, rear brake on dirt. of course the Tenere already has linked brakes so that kind of goes out the window.

Regardless a good rule

 

[OldRider]

Good thing he didn't grab that evil front brake, it may have thrown him over the handlebars. :question:

 

[TheHelios]

If you find Yerself using yer abs often, you need to change your riding, look farther up the road, and plan better. MSF class would be wonderful for you.

Took MSF already. ABS, for me, is useful when I'm riding through constantly wet South Florida where lord knows what's on the roads (lots of construction out here). I almost never have to use ABS when it's dry. The dude in the video needs to learn that there's a thing named a "front brake".

 

[Dogdaze]

Wow that was some shitty riding. That was not lack of ABS, that was lack of attention. I had cruisers, big and heavy, and never ever locked the rear up, used the front 95% of the time. Having said that, I will never buy a bike without ABS again, not now we have a choice. As for him wearing the right gear, yes, if you count an open helmet as gear, that 'cool' jacket flailing all over the place, leaving naked back skin exposed to the road is not so cool. He was sooo lucky.

 

[TheHelios]

He was sooo lucky.

But he looked so coooool. ::001::

 

[pnelson]

It looks like he stomped on his rear brake as his first response. I had a bad habit of using my rear brake too much, possibly left over from dirt bike days. My last two bikes had linked brakes (Honda ST1100 and Super Tenere) so I've been training myself to not use my rear brake unless I have a reason to. It's a hard habit to break. Funny that at 14,000 miles though, my rear pads needed replacing and my front were still at 50%.

 

[carrot]

But he looked so coooool. ::001::

It did until the bike lands on his head

 

[Andylaser]

Watching that video, it would appear there was easily enough room to pass between the right hand side of the stopped car and the vehicles in the second lane. Sometimes, changing direction is better than hoping you are going to stop in time.

It the darker coloured tarmac on the left of the lane at road level or is it raised?

 

[TXTenere]

Watching that video, it would appear there was easily enough room to pass between the right hand side of the stopped car and the vehicles in the second lane. Sometimes, changing direction is better than hoping you are going to stop in time.

It the darker coloured tarmac on the left of the lane at road level or is it raised?

That incident happened only about ten miles from where I live. The shoulder is at the same level as the rest of the road. Lots of options there - head to the left shoulder, or go for the space between the #1 and #2 lanes.

 

[Andylaser]

Thank you for the clarification.
Guess he needs to go back to motorcycle school for some lessons and tips on riding.

 

[Andylaser]

This is my second bike with ABS. Haven't needed it on the Yammy yet, but did on my Triumph Tiger.
I spent too long staring at a cute hippy chic on the pavement and didn't notice the truck in front had stopped. Gave front and rear brake everything and stopped with about 2 foot to spare. Probably would have locked up and hit without the ABS.

 

[WJBertrand]

A simple rule is front brakes on pavement, rear brake on dirt. of course the Tenere already has linked brakes so that kind of goes out the window.

Actually no. When you apply the rear brake first or alone, there is no linkage to the front. When you then apply the front, the pump begins sending braking pressure from the rear pedal to the front brake. The front brake always links to the rear though. At least this is my interpretation of the owner's manual.

 

[bigbob]

They are only linked if you you hand. Hit the rear pedal and they unlink.

 

[FredBGG]

of course the Tenere already has linked brakes so that kind of goes out the window.[/b]

Regardless a good rule

?????? Stubbled across this thread while looking into ABS statistics.... I don't bother with this place anymore, but this one is just
such bad advice.

Ask anyone that races motocross or scrambles and ask them if they could be competitive without using the front brake.
Front brake is essential on dirt.... as is the back brake.

And your telling people to take a MSF course?????

What is worse you don't even know how the bike you ride works.
Tap the back brake first and your brakes are unlinked. Essential knowledge for dirt riding the S10.

 

[shrekonwheels]

?????? Stubbled across this thread while looking into ABS statistics.... I don't bother with this place anymore, but this one is just
such bad advice.

Ask anyone that races motocross or scrambles and ask them if they could be competitive without using the front brake.
Front brake is essential on dirt.... as is the back brake.
And your telling people to take a MSF course?????.

Vale drifts his bike all the time, do you think that is good advice for the common rider?

What is worse you don't even know how the bike you ride works.
Tap the back brake first and your brakes are unlinked. Essential knowledge for dirt riding the S10.

Amazing, I also heard if you lift the little black flappy thingy, you can plug something in, pretty cool.

 

[Madhatter]

amazing how many people still think that to use the front brake will get them hurt... front brake is most of your stopping power ... abs is a good thing...