2019 Super Tenere - anyone hear any rumours ?

[Banzai600]

i found a couple of the comments amusing re riding ability...


anyway.......................

just back from an 8 day trip through austria, germany and switzerland., the super 10 was flawless, as you'd expect. We went for twisty roads, up and down passes, the whole shooting match., Biking mecca imo.

I rode a buddy's 1200 gs, and it was a lot lighter on the really tight stuff. Less effort on 1st / 2nd gear tight hairpins and downhill spurts. We'd be a quick enough group without being silly. Now i still wouldnt choose a GS, but the higher up weight of the S10 needs to be addressed, and i didnt have to input more downhill and on tighter stuff. Im still sticking with the S10, but come on, 20 bhp and 20 kgs less weight is not asking for much.

 

[loftybob]

i found a couple of the comments amusing re riding ability...


anyway.......................

just back from an 8 day trip through austria, germany and switzerland., the super 10 was flawless, as you'd expect. We went for twisty roads, up and down passes, the whole shooting match., Biking mecca imo.

I rode a buddy's 1200 gs, and it was a lot lighter on the really tight stuff. Less effort on 1st / 2nd gear tight hairpins and downhill spurts. We'd be a quick enough group without being silly. Now i still wouldnt choose a GS, but the higher up weight of the S10 needs to be addressed, and i didnt have to input more downhill and on tighter stuff. Im still sticking with the S10, but come on, 20 bhp and 20 kgs less weight is not asking for much.

Taking 20kg's of weight off is a big deal when it starts to affect durability. BMW started shaving weight from there final drive casings, and they started failing (mine was one of them) They saved weight from there stanchion mounts, they started failing. I would rather have the bike stay the same weight, and be good for 200,000 miles, than be lighter and less durable.

 

[Banzai600]

Taking 20kg's of weight off is a big deal when it starts to affect durability. BMW started shaving weight from there final drive casings, and they started failing (mine was one of them) They saved weight from there stanchion mounts, they started failing. I would rather have the bike stay the same weight, and be good for 200,000 miles, than be lighter and less durable.

to be honest, i have been thinking a lot aboput this. Only back from europe n the bike, so spent a lot of time on twisty roads and messing with the suspension etc

My real issue is not the weight as such, but its the weight being up high. I was looking at the bike and trying to fugre who to reduce down, but the engine is up a bit in the bike, so i suppose tank etc has to be. - hence high up weight.

if they could reduce the centre of mass a bit theyd be onto a winner. The bike is no heavier than its competition really, its just it shows it more at v slow speeds, which can be off putting for some, its more annoying for me.

with impending & rather poxy EURO 5 emmission due its coudl well be the end for the S10 unles yamaha come up with a new engine tweek to meet the regs alone (?) who knows.

 

[Sierra1]

I'm still not feeling the weight that many of y'all are. Every time I ride this bike I marvel at how quick it responds compared to my past bikes. But, I'm a bigger guy so maybe that helps in the feel. I don't think it should since MY weight should raise the center of gravity. Regardless, the bike feels light, and "flickable" to me.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

The only time I feel the weight is when putting it on and off the mainstand or maybe just moving it around in the garage, etc. Yes, it feels to have a high CoG, but don't forget, one reason this bike's weight melts away is mass centralization. A low CoG doesn't necessarily make for a flickable, sweet handling bike. I believe the higher CoG gives this bike it's easier, secure handling. The pay-off is when you move it around with the motor turned off. I can put up with that.

Some valid comments about weight vs. durability and longevity too. The GS does feel lighter under some riding circumstances, but the S10 is totally transformed once you start to let the clutch out.

 

[Wallkeeper]

IMHO...I think my 02 Strom felt more top heavy to me. It was certainly more unstable in cross winds (I know, not the same root issue) I recently took the advanced riders course and the Super Ten was much more maneuverable at all speeds than any of the low Cruisers in the class. I have ridden road races, Moto X, Desert etc and I find the Yamaha very acceptable. Besides, I am not looking to enter the Isle of Man with it.

As always, IMHO

 

[stutrump]

I bought mine because it's a fabulous commuter/mile muncher.
Sorry to be a bore but I can never get my head around riders that appear to want their adventure bike to also be a sports bike (this is not directed at any of the above comments...each to their own etc etc) but for me, if I wanted the excitement of a Sportsbike Id buy one. I commuted on a Fireblade for years and put over 100k on it. After the Blade the S10 seems really dull but for what I need now the S10 would absolutely be my first choice for commuting.

 

[twinrider]

After the Blade the S10 seems really dull but for what I need now the S10 would absolutely be my first choice for commuting.

Flash the ECU, it won't seem as dull.... ;-)

 

[stutrump]

Good point twinrider. I've been tempted to do that but I still have access to my old Blade (my brother has it) and although it's a bit old and knackered I can still get my adrenaline fix on it. Occasional track day etc. Great bike. The S10 is also a great bike though....it's the only bike I've ever bought twice and I've been riding for quite a long time

 

[twinrider]

Good point twinrider. I've been tempted to do that but I still have access to my old Blade (my brother has it) and although it's a bit old and knackered I can still get my adrenaline fix on it. Occasional track day etc. Great bike. The S10 is also a great bike though....it's the only bike I've ever bought twice and I've been riding for quite a long time

The difference with the flashed S10 is it will be arm-wrench right from the get go. A lot of fun in every day traffic.

Since you're in the UK, I can highly recommend Chris Steedman at CJ Racing. He has some excellent dyno-derived tunes or can make a custom flash for your bike on the dyno. I'm in Japan but contacted him after reading good things about him posted by a UK S10 owner. He offered to send a flash he spent 5 hours developing to a shop near me in Japan that he works with, who would then upload it for me. I rolled the dice and couldn't be more pleased with the results. It got rid of the annoying stumble just off idle, added a lot more power, reduce the engine braking and make the throttle a lot more linear. All for 200 quid. What a bargain for being able to grin every time I twist my wrist.

cjsducati@hotmail.co.uk

 

[skoron]

I wonder if there is enough market with the S10 going forward to justify model separation like KTM or BMW. One model street based and one model more off road dedicated? However my concern would be the S10 loses that all round attitude that we all love so much.

Skoron

 

[stutrump]

Thanks twinrider. Very interesting and I'll certainly consider it. Would fuel economy drop? (I do lots of miles!!). I'm guessing you're a Brit in Japan? I would love to ride there. I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years and love riding in Asia. One of my trials heroes is from Japan too (Fujinami). I used to do lots of trials too. Happy Days and thanks for the info

 

[Sierra1]

....if I wanted the excitement of a Sportsbike Id buy one.....

That what I thought BEFORE I got settled in with the Tenere. I EXPECTED just a bigger/similar version of a KLR. What I GOT was a whole different thing. No, she's not a sportbike, but don't tell her that. Her versatility still amazes me. For ME, I don't need a re-flash. I just leave it in "S". I've recalibrated my right wrist, and I now relish the instantaneous throttle response; both on and off.

 

[loftybob]

to be honest, i have been thinking a lot aboput this. Only back from europe n the bike, so spent a lot of time on twisty roads and messing with the suspension etc

My real issue is not the weight as such, but its the weight being up high. I was looking at the bike and trying to fugre who to reduce down, but the engine is up a bit in the bike, so i suppose tank etc has to be. - hence high up weight.

if they could reduce the centre of mass a bit theyd be onto a winner. The bike is no heavier than its competition really, its just it shows it more at v slow speeds, which can be off putting for some, its more annoying for me.

with impending & rather poxy EURO 5 emmission due its coudl well be the end for the S10 unles yamaha come up with a new engine tweek to meet the regs alone (?) who knows.

If you google the development history of the bike, you will find they canted the cylinders forward as to enable the lowering of the tank to centralise mass. They extended the swingarm to enable stability. That is what I love about the S10's, they are a freight train of stability and control.

Regards Lofty

 

[Daviedevs]

I currently ride a 2017 BMW GSA 1200...and I have to say I love it. Mainly because of the gearbox assist system..its awesome on the twisties through the Alps etc.

However, if Mr Yamaha decides to produce a 1400 triple S10 than I would be first in the queue.

 

[Checkswrecks]

However, if Mr Yamaha decides to produce a 1400 triple S10 than I would be first in the queue.

Glad you enjoy your Beemer 'cuz I don't think there's a snowball's chance that MamaYama will build what you asked for.

 

[Jlq1969]

1400? I don’t think so, maybe less
https://solomoto.es/yamaha-bicilindrico-turbo/
to use the translator, as I do

 

[EricV]

I think there is room for improvement. The GS has better gas mileage on the highway. Also it has more power. I ride with a friend who has one. My gas mileage in the twisties below 60 is better.

With that said, I would not sacrifice reliability for these things. I just think Yamaha has left some meat on the table. I also think they could improve the fuel map. Sport mode is too abrupt. I have adapted to it ; But quite a few have gone the re flash route.

Finally, and this is real long shot, the seat has few fans. They could design something that has wider appeal.

I also ride with a GSA a lot. You're spot on about the GS getting better mpg at highway speeds, but only a little, and worse at lower speeds. I find the differences much more noticeable at lower speeds when my wife needs gas for the GSA, and I'm thinking gee, I still have 3 bars!. At hwy speeds we both need gas about the same time and often both average 43 mpg. If we're traveling on 80mph hwys, the S10 most certainly drops off on the mpg more and the GS shows it's mpg legs better.

A lot of the abruptness people seem to comment about seems to just be throttle by wire, (to me). It's certainly more sensitive to input in S mode than a EFi bike w/o throttle by wire. I never use T mode and when I accidentally bump it into T, I find myself noticing my shifts aren't as smooth because I've adapted to the throttle movement of the S mode. The lazy throttle response of T does not appeal to me.

The seat. Well, you are correct, but seats are made to feel comfortable in the showroom. For better or worse, that's more true than not. And far more people simply don't ride for more than a hour at a time than ride for hours at a time. So the masses get seats that are usually too soft. Doesn't help the fat guys like me. My 145 lb friend raved about the S10 seat compared to his F800GS seat. He thought it was the best stock seat he'd ever ridden on after a couple hours riding my S10.

Back to the '19 model. I haven't seen any indication of anything other than Bold New Colors, or rather less of them, for a while. Less and less paint seems to be the direction Yamaha is taking this bike.

20kg, (44 lbs), less weight? That's a tough challenge. You can shave some on the exhaust and battery. You may be able to shave some weight going to a HPLV forged swing arm. Aluminum frame may reduce some weight, but might reduce durability too for a bike that goes off pavement and takes a lot of pounding. All of those are going to push the cost of manufacturing up though. And at the end of the day, if you really feel like shaving 20 kg will seriously impact your riding experience, maybe your riding style is better suited to a different bike?

It's like Hp. Everyone wants more. Few even use what they already have on hand.

 

[EricV]

Give me the Ponys I will find them some work.

It's only money. LINK Probably wouldn't take much modification to work.

 

[twinrider]

Thanks twinrider. Very interesting and I'll certainly consider it. Would fuel economy drop? (I do lots of miles!!). I'm guessing you're a Brit in Japan? I would love to ride there. I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years and love riding in Asia. One of my trials heroes is from Japan too (Fujinami). I used to do lots of trials too. Happy Days and thanks for the info

Well, you might find yourself twisting your wrist a lot more because it's so much fun. Then your fuel economy will drop. ;-)