2017 NO START

tullymars

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I did the search first on the replay removal to dry out the plugs but I lose power to the starter when I pull my relay, any idea?It fired up right away first thing this morning couple hours later I went to leave on it and it flooded, should I just let it sit the rest of the day?
 

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I did the search first on the replay removal to dry out the plugs but I lose power to the starter when I pull my relay, any idea?It fired up right away first thing this morning couple hours later I went to leave on it and it flooded, should I just let it sit the rest of the day?
Try holding the throttle wide open when you press the start button.

It may cough and splutter and take longer than usual but it usually starts when you have this problem.

Good luck

Mike
 

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Leave the relay in... remove the fuse for FI if you want to turn the engine over to clear a flood condition. And what Mike just suggested... do that first.
 

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Try not to fire the bike up and shut it down w/o a full warm up. This is a known issue for hard starts. The cold start routine creates a wash down of the cylinders and that causes a loss of compression and floods the engine even worse when you try cranking it the second time.

Also remember to switch the key off between starting attempts. Your headlights are off to begin with, but come on after an attempt. Shutting the key off again turns the headlights off again. This dramatically improves the voltage during cranking, (not having the headlights on). If you just try cranking it again, the voltage will be much lower during the second attempt and even less likely to result in a start.
 

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Now that either it dried enough to fire or you figured out the wide open throttle trick...

These bikes are voltage critical. Turning those big pistons draws a lot of amps, pulling down the voltage to less than what the ECU needs to start. When you need to replace the battery, it's a good idea to go from the Y12 to Y14 model, as the 14 has more lead in the same casing so has more amps. I've started at 5F with it.
 

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Let the fuel pump sound stop and the speedo needle do its' full sweep, then hit start. It lets the ECU get all the inputs to do what it needs to and for the injection system to get up to pressure.
 

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Do the Gen2 bikes suffer from the hard start issue that the Gen1 bikes have?

I haven't had a single issue with my Gen2.

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I have a '17, and have had two times where it did not start immediately. But, I do believe it was my fault. I had noticed, and Checkswrecks confirms, that when the key is turned to on. . . . you have to let it do it's self diagnostic test. Then you can push the start button, and it starts right up. If you turn the key to on, and immediately hit the starter button, it will not start. Many have talked about having to have a strong battery, or it will not start. I have not experienced that. My battery is three years old, and weak. It cranks slow, but starts every time.
 

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Do the Gen2 bikes suffer from the hard start issue that the Gen1 bikes have?

I haven't had a single issue with my Gen2.

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If you look at the overall picture, I don't think the Gen 1's were any worse then the Gen 2. A lot of not letting the bike go through its startup thing, one of which is pressurizing the fuel system. Weak battery, then people try to start it with the throttle open a little, it gets flooded.

FWIW, in 76K miles, I have only had one hard start on mine (Gen 1), and that was my fault. I flooded it, and remedied it by using full throttle on start. I have also started and stopped it within a minute several times in a row without a problem. If you start it, and immediately stop it when it is cold, of course there is going to be extra fuel in the system that may cause a flooded issue. I at least let it run for 30 seconds before I shut it off unless it is warmed up. Maybe I am lucky.
 
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