You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?

The grass is always greener on the other side, especially when I read some of these posts. #1 for me, two motorcycles doing the same job will likely get me divorce.
I have enough toys to keep me entertained all year round so having to make a decision on what bike to ride today is a non issue. As I only have ONE.
For me the S10 will be in my stables till it is trashed too much to make it worth repairing, it is not my beauty queen and I have no special attachment to it BUT it needs to do the job I bought it for. I think it is a FANTASTIC motorcycle but then so was my GS in its own way.
My first ADV was a GS and it took me to Panama and back to BC and many other rides and not without its troubles. But that is what adventures are about.
To make claims that your bike is better then that bike is a personal opinion and worthless, fact is everyone believe that what they own is better.
What will be my next ADV bike as per the OP?
I do not know and yes eventually the ST will have to go but not for the reason that it is outdated or poor in performance. NONSENSE.
For the simple reason it will be well used in its short life with me.

The big bike ADV market has moved away from its orignal potential buyers and now is focused on sport bike riders looking for something more comfortable with a better range gas wise. Hence the focus on electronics. The only new bike i can think of that you would be looking to ride to Alaska and yes there may be others is the T7. Because of its simplicty. Curruntly its estimated there are 1000 chips in a non electric modern car.

I'm not selling my S10 anytime soon, if at all. That said, and I appear to be the odd one here, if I did I wouldn't be looking at BMW or KTM but rather the Africa Twin. I almost bought one right before I bought my S10. They fit me really well, they're comfortable and the DCT would make me more confident riding the offroad hills around here. It wouldn't be my long distance bike, but I don't get much chance to road trip anymore anyway and if I did I'd probably pick up a Goldwing.
Right now my S10 is my goldilocks bike. It can take me down fire roads to remote camp sites or eat up highway miles with comfort. Not the best at either but just right for me at this stage in my life.

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I sold my T12 a couple of dats ago.

After 7 years and 178.000 km it was time to try something else.

During the time I've owned the T12 my riding has gravitated progressively towards dirt riding.
I wanted something lighter and better in the dirt.

If I was staying in Europe and continued my everyday life seasoned with a couple of 2-4 week long trips around the continent a year, I would probably have chosen an Aprilla 660 Tuareg.

But next year my wife and I will leave the country and roam the world for a couple of years on 2 wheels. For that purpose we have decided to get 2 CRF 300 Rally.
Light reliable low maintenance bikes.

fac191 said:

The big bike ADV market has moved away from its orignal potential buyers and now is focused on sport bike riders looking for something more comfortable with a better range gas wise. Hence the focus on electronics. The only new bike i can think of that you would be looking to ride to Alaska and yes there may be others is the T7. Because of its simplicty. Curruntly its estimated there are 1000 chips in a non electric modern car.

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Yup, your motorcycle has a lot more computing power than NASA had available for Apollo 11. Sooooo.....you would think my Super T would fly
Well
I tried but the !##!@# thing doesn't want fly worth a damn......methinks the computers are not all they are cracked up to be....

Mine has. Was on a ride out with about 30 bikes. Went down this road and at the beginning there was this sign for a hump back bridge. The road was not that wide and there was a car in front of me. It pulled over a bit and waved me through. The road was straight i could see right down it. I gassed it must have been doing getting on for 70mph and im thinking wheres this hump back bridge ?. Then the bike just went light, ahh that must have been the hump back bridge ! . Lucky for me i was going some as you jump further not higher. I stood up straight away on the pegs and gassed it on landing. I went quite a way. Bike handled it no problem. When we all met up at the next stop all people could talk about was this hump back bridge. It caught alot of people out, better riders than me. One was 2 up with his GF on the back so was going slower and went higher she came right out of the saddle but stayed on. You just could not see it coming. Was impressed with the S10 though. Not sure i would try it again though, getting away with it once was good enough for me.

Wallkeeper said:

.....you would think my Super T would fly....

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The cow that jumped over the moon.

Apologies if this has been posted before, thought it was a good comparison,

Waiting to see the new Honda Transalp 750.

gunner said:

Waiting to see the new Honda Transalp 750.

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That looks like it could be a good bike.

This year I had a local riding buddy say he wanted to upgrade from his V-Strom 650 to something a bit bigger, so we rented/borrowed an S10 (2013), Multistrada (2014), Stelvio (mine), and GSA (borrowed). Ultimately he did a test ride on a new Tiger 1200 and that seems to be what he'll end up with. From tagging along on this experience, I now know that I do not want keyless ignition!

Dirt_Mom had both a first and second generation Super Tenere. Back in 2019 her last Tenere was sold. Even with lowering links and the Yamaha lower seat, the bike was always a big beast for her. For years I tried to get her onto a more appropriately sized bike. She always countered with "will the next one have as many safety features?"...I always answered, "no." Back then, the Japanese just didn't feel riders of smaller adventure bikes were worthy of the features available on the big bikes. Finally I had to expand my horizons and consider European bikes. Something I had always been wary of due to the endless internet stories of unreliable motorcycles. The BMW F750GS gave me the ability to answer her safety question with a "yes, and more."

For her the bike has been a huge step up from the Tenere. It fits her. I can't count the number of times she's said on the bluetooth, "I would have been terrified doing that on my Tenere." The BMW somehow feels like a luxury motorcycle. She loves it. Has ridden it out west at sustained 80+ MPH and never felt like the bike was struggling. Burning a hell of a lot of gas, yes, but completely comfortable at those speeds. It's the perfect bike for her. Only has about 22K miles on it, but 100% reliable.

For me, after my first and second gen Teneres, I was getting bored. Yamaha refused to update the bike, so in 2020 I was ready to look elsewhere. Our BMW experience was so good I was completely willing to consider Europe as a legitimate builder of reliable bikes.

My journey with my 2020 KTM SAS has documented here with excruciating detail. The summary of the bike is: my concerns of KTM quality have completely 100% evaporated. The bike has been more reliable than the Teneres. The SAS has upended my perception of riding and taken me to a level of motorcycle enjoyment I didn't know was possible. Past history tells me that someday I'll get bored with it and want something else. In all honesty, I can't even conceive of that happening. I'm excited every time I know I'm going to get to ride it. It's like KTM built the SAS for everything I ever wanted in a pavement focused adventure bike. I was talking to an older rider this past 4th of July. He asked me if money were not a factor, what bike would you own? I told him I'd have that bike you see right there. It's the most entertaining bike I've ever owned. My riding life is good, and I know it.

To answer Jaxon's question of what's next? I have the 2023 KTM 890 Adventure R on order. Not as a replacement for SAS...that's laughable. Rather it will be my dirt bike that can comfortably take me a few hundred miles to get to the good stuff. My KTM 690 Enduro R was beating me up going those distances. I'm old enough to appreciate comfort in all phases.

If money were no issue, I'd also add a base model 1250 GS to the fleet. I've had the SAS as far as Wyoming and it's completely comfortable and relaxed doing long distance duty. Still there's part of me that doesn't like bolting on the cases and forcing the SAS to act like an ordinary touring bike. I've compared it to installing a luggage cargo rack on a Lamborghini. Sure it will do it, but feels wrong. You don't hook a race horse to the carnival's pony ride, it's just sad. Same kind of thing.

First off i really like the SAS. This is the sort of thing i dont. Just read in an owners review the TPMS is hooked up to the ECU. They went to the Highlands ( Scotland ) it gets cold and wet there. TPMS played up, bike dead. Holiday over. In the UK alot of the best places to ride are like this. To have that in the back of my mind before setting off would make me nervous. Thats what i dont like about all the chips. To be stranded because of that would do my head in. Then i would want to sell it. I know that there is a necessity these days for chips but there should be some kind of overide to default things that are not essential. This kind of thing is probably more UK based. Its not practicle for us to wash and blow dry our bikes every time we use them. Then there is the salt on the roads. Our bikes can lead a hard life so we need a hard bike. Still love the SAS though.

health and weight of the bike may and will be the determining factor in how much longer I ride it. ive run out of farkle's to add to the bike . and it is a sit up and ride touring bike .... my Tenere is paid for and very low miles , so will last me as long as I care to ride it . I will 65 in January and I still enjoy riding it , but the quick trip into town and the neighbor hood may be the '23 DR650's job soon . the bush pig is so much lighter . but long trips can't beat the Tenere.

Spring 2021 I went on a trip to Scotland with four mates, two on 1290 SAS, one on a 1290 Super Duke GT and one on an S1000XR, staying in Berwick Upon Tweed and travelling out each day on routes of 150-200 miles a day. Being spring in the Scottish Borders, we had cold temps overnight and plenty of rain.
Summer of 2022 I went on a trip to the Picos, in some extremely hot weather, with a different group, riding 2 x 1290 SAS, the same S1000XR and a 1970s RT100. No rain on this trip.
As expected the Super Tenere was faultless, started on the button, every time. Never missed a beat on either trip. The others, exactly the same, flawless throughout, no petrol station issues, no chain faffing or adjustment, just hit the button and go.

I love the SAS, it draws my eye and attention every time they’re about, but against all logic and experience with mates bikes, something tells me no. At the moment.

I'll admit I had hesitation about buying a KTM. My dealer had such a crazy, stupid low price on his remaining SAS models that I felt no risk.
Fast forward to today, I'll pay whatever it takes to get my fix. I'm hooked. I never asked about price and don't even care. When my 890 arrives I'll write a check for whatever the dealer tells me. Of course it helps that I have a very long relationship with the GM there. Regardless, I just want my fix, it cost what it costs...give me my bike.

Regarding the SAS, even if it became unreliable, I don't think I could give it up. It just provides me so much enjoyment I can't imagine letting it go. I hope to never test this theory.

When I bought my 1st Tenere (a 2013) in 2016.... I thought I was moovin on (from 6 VStroms since 2003) I was wrong.
I promptly bought anuther Strom (2012 DL650) to have alongside the Tenere.
Then...a year later in 2017.. I bought a 2014 Tenere cuz it had cruise mainly.
In 2019 I traded the 650 Strom & a Stelvio for anuther cleaner blue 2014 Tenere..& soon after traded the first 2014 Tenere for a 2014 VStrom 1000. Then a deal on a 2013 650 Strom popped up so I bit.
Fast fwd anuther year (2021) & the first 1000 Strom was gone...replaced by anuther with lower miles. The 2013 650 left me this last Summer.
Which leads to the current situation....
I sold the blue 2014 Tenere & replaced it with a much lighter bike. Im Actually selling the 2014 Strom too... Why?
I bought a 2019 Tiger 800 XRT
It has the cruise I came to expect for trips.
& many other goodies like heated grips/seats....5 diff ride modes...etc
Its weight is close to the 650 Strom & feels good on a gravel road. More suspension travel than the Stroms...with plenty of adjustments.

Being a longtime Strommer (10 bikes total) & then a series of 3 Teneres over 6 years.
All wonderful bikes...very doitall in nature...some a bit better than others & reliable as a rock. Inexpensive too

We'll see how the Triumph fares

fac191 said:

TPMS played up, bike dead. Holiday over.

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I had a 2014 1190 ADV R. What a wonderful bike to ride, but one day the TPMS system just decided to turn itself off... I also discovered that since the rim spokes penetrate into the pressurized section of the wheel, KTM presses in this large rubber inner liner, and that failed a few weeks before a long-ish trip I had planned and the only way to resolve that issue was to put a tube in that wheel or "upgrade" to Woody's wheels.

This is also a bike that came from the factory with a defective airbox design that would destroy the engine, an engine that is destroyed if the chain breaks, an engine that can be destroyed based on the kick stand location, a fuel sender that isn't quite ethanol compliant, a starter motor that is a bit weak for the engine size/compression, a fuel filter that likes to clog up about every 10,000 miles, and on and on and on...

audiowize said:

I had a 2014 1190 ADV R. What a wonderful bike to ride, but one day the TPMS system just decided to turn itself off... I also discovered that since the rim spokes penetrate into the pressurized section of the wheel, KTM presses in this large rubber inner liner, and that failed a few weeks before a long-ish trip I had planned and the only way to resolve that issue was to put a tube in that wheel or "upgrade" to Woody's wheels.

This is also a bike that came from the factory with a defective airbox design that would destroy the engine, an engine that is destroyed if the chain breaks, an engine that can be destroyed based on the kick stand location, a fuel sender that isn't quite ethanol compliant, a starter motor that is a bit weak for the engine size/compression, a fuel filter that likes to clog up about every 10,000 miles, and on and on and on...

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Looks like i will be keeping my Dinosaur for a bit then.

I should mention that the KTM dealer doesn't know how to fix the TPMS issue.