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I wish I would have thought about that. :D But, on the serious side, they have very established cruisers. They're Hondas, so they're reliable as hell. It still irks me that they canned the ST, and now they introduce an irrelevant bike. Of course, just my opinion, and I have zero business sense.
 

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Just saw that Honda is now producing a new Rebel. It's the 1100c.c. motor from the AT. DCT is also available. I just don't see the purpose of it.
The decisions at a corporate level might go like this....
"Let's take the 1100 parallel twin and throw it into a Rebel type chassis! The motor and DCT are already there and it'll be a bike for those who think the 500 Rebel is too small."

In the plus column...
The design is already there
The motor and DCT tranny are already there
It can hit a pricepoint.

In the minus column....
The problem is the market for 1100+ cruisers is pretty full already.
The demographic for 1100 cruisers is getting smaller. (maybe marketing studies show a hipster revival, idk)
The bike does not look like a big Vtwin cruiser (in a market where nostalgia is important).

I'm happy to see manufacturers sell more bikes of any type, but I'm not betting on this one being a hit.
 

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. . . . No matter what the facts are, I think the high speed wobble LEO death marked the end of the ST1300.
I'm not disagreeing, but, more and more agencies were switching to them from BMW & H-D. If it was an actual LE version from Honda, it was speed limited to 120mph. Solid as a rock.

IIRC, I thought they narrowed the wobble down to the electronic message board that some UK departments had mounted to the rear of the bike. I don't remember hearing any crashes in the US.
 
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I'm not disagreeing, but, more and more agencies were switching to them from BMW & H-D. If it was an actual LE version from Honda, it was speed limited to 120mph. Solid as a rock.

IIRC, I thought they narrowed the wobble down to the electronic message board that some UK departments had mounted to the rear of the bike. I don't remember hearing any crashes in the US.
''The inquest was told that problems affected only police models of the motorcycle with their heavy emergency and communications equipment.''
 

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The article I read spoke of the message board acting as a wing, and providing lift to the rear wheel, which caused the high speed instability, Most saddlebags have stickers somewhere in/on them with max weights, along with max speeds. The theory is speed & weight could upset the bike(s), and cause the wobbles. But, with my weight, the unequal loading of the bags, along with the higher speed. . . . I never had a wobble. And, having to keep the bike at 119mph to keep from hitting the limiter was maddening.
 

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It's a really good bike. I prefer it to the FJR for around town riding. On the highway, or a nice twistie road, I'd pick the FJR. All because of the steering geometry. Hate the linked braking, it was not consistent.
 

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yes,

in the UK the police and emergency services had the issues because of the weights they carried
I remember this too to be a combination of the aft bias of the weight, wind cross section of the top box, and high speed. Having any or two by themselves wasn't a problem.
 

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IIRC, I thought they narrowed the wobble down to the electronic message board that some UK departments had mounted to the rear of the bike. I don't remember hearing any crashes in the US.
This is correct. Some UK departments had a light pole of sorts mounted off-center and it messed with the aerodynamics. I don't recall any other countries, including the US, encountering the stability issues with their police ST1300s. I rode a civilian model for 12 years and 150,000 miles, occasionally at speeds approaching 140 MPH. No instability noticed on my bike nor most of my friends and their ST1300s in the STOC.
 

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My state is #1. Take that
fatality rankings
RankStateRegistered MotorcyclesFatalitiesFatalities per 10,000 Registered Motorcycles
1Mississippi28,2624515.92
2Texas349,08243512.46
3South Carolina116,97214011.97
4Hawaii30,9983410.97
5North Carolina188,86919910.54
6Florida587,49959410.11
7Tennessee181,1261719.44
8Arizona170,2741579.22
9Kentucky101,165939.19
10New Mexico60,348487.95
11Nevada74,740597.89
12Georgia203,9681587.75
13Louisiana113,664877.65
14Alabama110,012847.64
15Missouri153,9051167.54
16Arkansas91,127667.24
17Oklahoma129,451937.18
18Rhode Island28,267207.08
19Kansas94,850646.75
20Delaware28,267186.37
21West Virginia60,683386.26
22California822,8445096.19
23Idaho66,533385.71
24Connecticut87,660505.70
25Utah84,413485.69
26Colorado190,8691085.66
27Oregon133,760755.61
28Virginia195,8451035.26
29Maryland118,277625.24
30Wyoming28,968155.18
31Indiana250,9041174.66
32Maine51,306234.48
33Alaska31,550144.44
34Pennsylvania372,6791654.43
35Nebraska55,736223.95
36New York389,4041503.85
37Massachusetts168,931633.73
38Ohio409,8931513.68
39Illinois319,7641163.63
40New Jersey150,527543.59
41Washington235,501843.57
42New Hampshire78,962283.55
43Minnesota241,556612.53
44Wisconsin336,410832.47
45Iowa194,606452.31
46Vermont30,53261.97
47North Dakota120,494171.41
48South Dakota120,494171.41
49Michigan258,487250.97
50Montana293,567210.72
 

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Roger, 85, married Jenny, a lovely 25 year old.

Since her new husband is so old, Jenny decides that after their wedding she and Roger should have separate bedrooms, because she is concerned that her new but aged husband may over-exert himself if they spend the entire night together.

After the wedding festivities Jenny prepares herself for bed and the expected knock on the door. Sure enough the knock comes, the door opens and there is Roger, her 85 year old groom, ready for action. They unite as one. All goes well, Roger takes leave of his bride, and she prepares to go to sleep.

After a few minutes, Jenny hears another knock on her bedroom door, and it's Roger, Again he is ready for more 'action'. Somewhat surprised, Jenny consents for more coupling. When the newlyweds are done, Roger kisses his bride, bids her a fond good night and leaves.

She is set to go to sleep again, but, aha, you guessed it - Roger is back again, rapping on the door and is as fresh as a 25-year-old, ready for more 'action'. And, once more they enjoy each other.

But as Roger gets set to leave again, his young bride says to him, 'I am thoroughly impressed that at your age you can perform so well and so often. I have been with guys less than a third of your age who were only good once. You are truly a great lover, Roger..'

Roger, somewhat embarrassed, turns to Jenny and says: 'You mean I've been here already tonight?'

The moral of the story:

Don't be afraid of getting old, Alzheimer's has its advantages.

PS.. Have I posted already?
 

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The headings are there but white text on a pale grey background makes it tough to read!
Holy crap. I thought you were crazy. But, when I tilted my screen way away from me, I was able to see them.

Those numbers came from an insurance website. They mite be BS. IDK
I'd be curious which states had mandatory helmet laws, and their standing on the list. Texas allows riders over 21 to not wear helmets. Could explain being #2.
 
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