Back to Back Dyno runs, 2nd gen before and after Anthony's tune?

Has anyone published anything? I had my ECU reflashed by Anthony mostly to smooth and improve throttle response. After riding it a bit, much improved BTW, I think I'm sensing additional power as well. Knowing how inaccurate the butt dyno is I went looking for some comparison charts but am having difficulty finding anything. Also intriguing is Fort Nines allegation in his Youtube review, that a reflash unleashes an additional 20 HP. I'm skeptical of that claim though.

I’m having mine flashed on the dyno in September. I’ll post the results then. But apparently the euro 4 motors can get good gains


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Just out of interest is my 2015 Gen2 Euro3 or 4 ?

fac191 said:

Just out of interest is my 2015 Gen2 Euro3 or 4 ?

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The most I've ever seen published of a dyno-tune/reflash is 1-3hp gain (which you would never feel). There's just not any top-end power to be had in these engines. They aren't designed for that anyway.
I think that 20-hp figure is probably down low, in the first 3 gears if they eliminate any kind of electronic throttle restriction.

I'd love to see some post from Canada who has done a reflash up here...

SkunkWorks said:

The most I've ever seen published of a dyno-tune/reflash is 1-3hp gain (which you would never feel). There's just not any top-end power to be had in these engines. They aren't designed for that anyway.
I think that 20-hp figure is probably down low, in the first 3 gears if they eliminate any kind of electronic throttle restriction.

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Exactly. Ex and I bought a pair of 2013 S10's new from the dealer around Christmas 2015 when I joined this site. Hers was and is still stock aside from adding Givi luggage. I had Anthony reflash mine. Riding them back to back and doing side-by-side comparisons from a roll in several different gears the difference was obvious. My reflashed bike in touring mode was quicker to accelerate than her bike in sport mode. My bike in sport mode would just kill hers.

In sport mode and my traction control set to 2, the traction warning light will flash on briefly during a 6,800-7,000 rpm shift from 1-2 and 2-3 as the front wheel leaves the ground for just enough time to trigger the sensor. I'm fairly impressed by that since I weigh ~ 290 lbs geared up.

All anecdotal, yes. I did have my bike dyno tested and am trying to find the misplaced / mislabeled files this afternoon. If I can't locate them, I will call the shop where the testing was done and see if he can send me JPG's of the results.

I think the secret lies in having the ecu tuned on the Dyno. CJS did over 20 Dyno runs on my Zx14r, each time checking the air / fuel ratio for each throttle setting. It took more than half a day before he was satisfied with it but in the end I had a map that was fine tuned to my specific engine with my Brocks exhaust and BMC filter


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SkunkWorks said:

. . . .I think that 20-hp figure is probably down low, in the first 3 gears if they eliminate any kind of electronic throttle restriction.

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And, isn't that restriction only on the Gen 1s? I know my '17 has zero restrictions. As a matter of fact, there was a distinct difference after 5k miles. If I really get on the the throttle from a red light, the bike tries to stand straight up. And, my youngest swears that the Tenere is quicker, off the line, than his FJR.

Flashtune data still shows restrictions in T mode lower gears on the 2014 through 2018 bikes, similar to, but not exactly the same as the gen1. S mode doesn't restrict in any gear on either gen. I'm looking at the US throttle maps.
Edit: Throttle is restricted at low RPMs in all gears and both T and S modes. But at upper RPMs, only the lower T mode gears are restricted. But you do have to rev it up higher in the T mode high gears to reach 100% than you do in S mode.

My S10 is quicker of the line thane my friends R1. I really enjoy that, the S10 on its back wheel and the R1 still waiting for the RPM to reach 8000rpm. The torque on the 1200 is massive.

My oldest kid's R6 is the same way. It makes next to nothing under 8k. But, the 16k red line is a marvel to me. That's a whole lot of moving going on without flying apart. And, if my throttle is restricted in the lower rpms in "S". . . . I'm glad. . . . I'd hurt myself. Still hard to believe, as quick as she responds though.

MattR said:

I think the secret lies in having the ecu tuned on the Dyno. CJS did over 20 Dyno runs on my Zx14r, each time checking the air / fuel ratio for each throttle setting. It took more than half a day before he was satisfied with it but in the end I had a map that was fine tuned to my specific engine with my Brocks exhaust and BMC filter


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yep he had mine on his for 4 and half hrs

bimota said:

yep he had mine on his for 4 and half hrs

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There's no way a re-flash will boost ultimate HP by 20HP. Wide open throttle is still wide open throttle. In the lower RPMs and in gears 1-3 there is definitely a difference on my 2015 ES, pre-Anthony flash versus post. Much different and much better motorcycle. In the real world it is much livelier, but when screaming at max rpm on a dyno the numbers are probably not as impressive.

We will see in September


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scramjet said:

There's no way a re-flash will boost ultimate HP by 20HP. Wide open throttle is still wide open throttle. In the lower RPMs and in gears 1-3 there is definitely a difference on my 2015 ES, pre-Anthony flash versus post. Much different and much better motorcycle. In the real world it is much livelier, but when screaming at max rpm on a dyno the numbers are probably not as impressive.

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WOW,
MattR said that cjs racing is doing his, and i replied with YEP HE DID MINE ON THE DYNO FOR 4.5 HRS,

i,ve not mentioned any thing about hp or performance gains, at all

I had mine flashed 7 years ago with bout 5k miles on it. I've got PCV and complete exhaust. The map I have in it came from a member that had his dynoed. I had a BMC air filter and went back to a stocker. It runs fine. It'll run up to redline in 5 gears in a heart beat. It'll lift the front end in first and 2nd with my 220lb, but you ain't gotta worry about doing a loop out for sure. 20 more horses though. No way. The best thing about the flash was taking the snatch out of it a slow speeds for me. In 1st creeping in ruts and rocks. It sucked.

I haven't forgotten..

I can't locate the dyno runs anywhere in my computer and checked the file cabinet with all bike paperwork, no printout either. I've called the shop where it was done, no answer yesterday (Saturday). Will try again Tuesday.

bimota said:

WOW,
MattR said that cjs racing is doing his, and i replied with YEP HE DID MINE ON THE DYNO FOR 4.5 HRS,

i,ve not mentioned any thing about hp or performance gains, at all

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My apologies, didn't intend to reply to your post. My comment was in regards to the 20 HP comment by the OP.

CJS (Chris) told me there were big gains to be had from the Euro 4 motors but he didn’t say where. I got an additional 14bhp from my zx14r when he did that but it wasn’t noticeable in a motor that already gave 200bhp. What it do do was make the delivery of that power much smoother and more usable. I’ll be very happy if he can do the same with the S10s 100 odd Bhp. And I’ll get him to set the fan to come in 5 degrees earlier too.


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